Making money out of XAUUSD

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Making money out of XAUUSD

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The first part of this post describes the basics of my trading. The 10th March 2026 describes the firm conclusions I have come to.
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I am developing a manual trading system that is looking good on demo. I started on 22nd of September 2025 with a $2,000 deposit. The balance at the time of writing this is $9,686 and the equity at $10,134 – one open order just a few pips away from TP.

Trading pair: XAUUSD (gold/usd)
Time frame: 1 hour.

My initial idea was this:
  • Wai for the latest swing to occur and draw a horizontal line at the high and low..
  • Once the swing was complete, wait for a retrace to the middle of the swing.
  • Once the market reached roughly the mid point of the previous swing, set stop orders a few pips above and below the high and low lines marking the previous swing.
  • Sit back and watch.
Here is a chart showing how this looked. The yellow lines mark the hilo and the magenta line shows somewhere in the middle that I want the price to retrace to:
(edit 12th May 2026: in fact, this looks much more lake the range trading that I have come to enjoy and describe further down this post)
Swing.png

look along the chart and you can see a number of swings that I could have marked off.

The first refinement came for two reasons:
  • The buy stop would fill. XAUUSD is highly volatile so the market would often retrace far enough to fill the sell stop. Then it would rise again until hitting the buy TP and leave me wondering what to do with the outstanding sell.
  • I remembered the oft-stated fact that money flows towards gold in times of international uncertainty - and they could hardly be more uncertain than at the moment. Also I saw using CSS that USD has been weak for ages. The pair has been rising inexorably for ages and shows no sign of starting to decline.
I stopped setting the sell stop and the profits started to accrue.

The second refinement came when I noticed that the market did not always retrace back to the centre of the swing but went into a range instead. Bearing in mind the constant rise of the pair, I started to set a buy stop a few pips above the high o the range. Here is an example:
Ranging.png

The market can range for anything for a few hours to a few days but always breaks out dramatically, eventually, in recent months at least.

Strong movements often occur during the Asian session when I am fast asleep, so I coded the attached Straddle EA to monitor the market and place the stop order at the appropriate time.

The ea draws two yellow lines a number of pips above and below the current price and a box in the middle of the hilo. I then adjust the lines so they represent the hilo. The box obediently follows along with the movement. It adjusts to hilo lines if the market subsequently moves outside the hilo. Here is a pic from my current chart:
With the EA.png
The high line was originally just above the range but the ea has pushed it ever higher as the market rose.

A characteristic of the pair is that it often ranges during mid week then explodes on Friday. You can see this happening on the current chart. The two dotted white lines mark the two trades last week. The first one filled on Monday then the market ranged around until Friday, driving me-nuts. You can see how it exploded on Friday, taking Monday's trade to TP then a fresh one to within hailing distance of TP. Live, I would have closed down so I could be 'flat' for the weekend. I leave such orders in place on demo.

You can also see how far down the market went after filling the Monday buy stop – the two lowest tails might not be easily visible in the pic, so load up a chart and see for yourself. We just have to be patient when this happens. I do not trade with a stop loss; it would be triggered so often that a SL would kill the trading.

I have reserved post 2 so I can write explanations of any of the inputs that members ask about. I have released the ea with my settings coded as defaults, so feel free to load it up without bothering about them.

XAUUSD charts can be confusing as there appears to be no difference in appearance to those of the standard forex pairs charts. Also, profits accrue much more quickly than is normal. I queried CoPilot about this and the difference I the scale of XAUUSD charts. I have copied the explanation into the attached pdf document. Do read it as it explains everything.

That's it for now. I will edit this post if I have forgotten anything. Have fun.

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Edit 12th May 2026

I have come to some firm conclusions since I last posted in march:
  • It is best to trade after the market has been ranging for a few hours. Look for a long move in one direction followed by a consolidation where the market goes sideways for a while.
    • Send both long and short stop orders.
    • Delete the opposite direction stop order if one side fills and proceeds to take profit.
  • When trading the latest swing, avoid huge swings. By the time one of the stop orders fills the market has already traveled a long way from the centre and the move is about to falter and possible reverse altogether.
  • The 'sweet spot' for the take profit looks like 200 pips. Time and again I see the market progress that far from the order fill price and then reverse.
  • Try to avoid having a market trade open over the weekend. The market tends to open after the weekend with a large gap - great when that is in the direction of the open order but a bit of a pain otherwise.
I am still trying to work out how best to deal with the situation where both stop orders have filled. This does not happen often but it does happen. At the time of writing, I am monitoring the position and close the losing side of the hedge when one appears to be winning conclusively. I have no idea how successful this will be long-term. All ideas about this are welcome.


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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Here are a couple off pics from yesterday (Monday) and today (Tuesday).

You can see the swing high that I used for the hilo lines. the market entered the trading box a little while afterwards and so the ea sent the buy stop:
setup.png
The market fell substantially so I have redrawn the lines and deeleted the original stop order. The market briefly entered the trading box so there is a fresh stop order in place:
later.png
This is one of those periods when patience is required.

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The market continued on its merry way down all of yesterday. Today it went into the range that usually follows a strong, so here is my setup for today:
setup.png
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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Frustrating week for me last week - the first one ever that generated no trades. Anyone trying my original strategy of sending both buy and sell stop orders would have done very well out of filled sells. Just do not expect this success to continue.

Here is my setup for the start of the coming week:
setup.png
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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Tuesday 10th March 2026

The market went into a range so I redrew the hilo lines:
setup.png
The market entered the trading box and the resulting buy stop filled after a short time. The trade reached a few pips short of TP so I closed it and redrew the lines again. Another buy stop has since filled and again reached a few pips from TP but had fallen back by the time I saw it. The chart looks like this at the time of writing:
later.png
Account equity is currently $11,924

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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Update to Tuesday 10th March 2026

This week is certainly making up for last week. The second trade hit is TP a few minutes ago. So far this week I am up $2,251 and the equity is $12,432 so the next lot size is 0.24


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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Sunday 22nd March 2026

The bubble burst big time last week.

A trade left over from Friday 12th was hit by the ever falling market of the following week. Eventually it blew the account leaving just under $1,000 of equity.

Yes, this was a disaster but I am glad it happened as I learned a few lessons.

The first is a reminder of one I learned a long time ago and it is this: follow your instinct when it comes to closing a trade. If something in your brain asks, "Should I close this trade?" then the answer is invariably, "YES and NOW."

Had this been a live trade then I would have closed it so I could be 'flat' for the weekend - always a lovely feeling. The trade had come to within 10 pips or so of TP, so no reason to ignore my instinct. This would have left a live account unscathed as none of the buy stop orders last week would have filled. Demo accounts are for experimenting so I left it open and the result was catastrophe.

So I have cheated a bit - well, quite a lot actually. I have 'refunded' the account to an equity of $12,000. My rationale for this is that I have learned a couple of mahoosive lessons from last week, so there is no need to start again and rebuild from the current equity:
  • I need to experiment with an initial stop loss. The art here will be to find the 'sweet spot' that gives a trade enough room to breathe so it is not always taken out before the market recovers and moves in my direction yet is not consistently hit prematurely.
  • Set a break even stop loss so that a winner cannot turn into a loser.
Either of the above two elements would have saved the account last week.

As this process evolves I am coming to the conclusion that the best trades are taken when the market ranges after a big move. I am going to draw the hilo lines around the latest range and taking stop orders in both direction. We shall see where this leads.

In the meantime, anyone shorted XAUUSD last week? If so, :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :!!: :!!: :!!: :!!: :!!:

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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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12th May 2026

It is a while since I hast posted but I have been beavering away in the meanwhile.

The account equity is now $18, 117. I have come to some firm conclusions and have posted them in the latest edit to post 1.

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Read the effing manual, ok?

Afterprime is the official SHF broker. Read about them at https://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=175790#p175790.

I still suffer from OCCD. Good thing, really.

Anyone here feeling generous? My paypal account is always in the market for a tiny donation. pianodoodler@hotmail.com is the account.

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Re: Making money out of XAUUSD

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Hi Steve,

Any updates on this one?

regards,

mike
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