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Author:  fok [ Sun May 18, 2014 5:16 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

nanningbob » Sun May 18, 2014 12:13 am wrote:
James Roscoe » Sun May 18, 2014 7:37 am wrote:"I want traders to be able to speak about their trading styles. I have had people wanting me to talk about MM and trading philosophy. I always thought about writing a book about it but I am tired or writing. So as questions and thoughts come up I will post them here."- nanningbob

Thanks for the opportunity to help you distill your thoughts, bob.

1. You trade 1-4 cents per thousand dollars, and you scale into positions. Without getting too personal, how many parts would you break a final position into?

The maximum I carry is 3, whether I am trend trading or recovery trading. In range trading very difficult to get 3 positions in. Having said that there is usually once maybe twice a year everyone knows a currency is going in one direction. The Fundamental driver is very obvious. Last year it was the JPY in the Spring, and the euro in 2011. When those happen you ride that baby. The euro maybe doing it again this year or the USD maybe the one this year. If they cut QE3 some more be ready to ride the USD with multiple positions.

2. Currencies such as E/U and G/U tend to be very highly correlated. Do you take positions based on the total direction of the major currency ( Long the Euro) or do you treat each currency pair (Long E/U, E/A, E/C, etc) as an independent position?

I treat each currency individually but when the CSS speaks I listen right now the euro is on the bottom and maybe going down quite a bit more. So that is where I will look for opportunities. However, that doesnt mean every euro cross will drop, some may just range or the drop/rise maybe minimal on some pairs. So you still read the charts and go with it.

3. If you do treat each pair as an independent position, do you keep an eye on correlation?

See answer above, again the CSS or big Fundamental will tell you that story. If NZD raises its interest rate again might as well take the ride.

Glad that you have opened this thread! :good:
See answers above. Now that I seem set on my trading system, I really dont see any need or any ability to improve 10.7 with CSS reads used with 10.6 for me. As you can see others are happy to use 10.7 with their systems and that is the beauty of it. I now will look at improving my multiple position trading and see if I can optimize it. I will be looking at my favorite all time indi I used for years and that is my RWB one. That one can keep you in each individual trade. Molding that one with 10.7 greatly intrigues me.
RWB indicator is MACD 12-26-9/ Stochastic1 14/3/5 linear weighted/ Stochastic2 7/3/3/ linear weighted together in one subwindow if your very old template is still valid ... :D
RWB templ.png
Author:  dispell [ Sun May 18, 2014 5:32 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

James Roscoe » Sun May 18, 2014 11:34 am wrote:
Thanks for response. The way I trade is that I use a simple volatility adjusted grid on the E/U and U/C, long only for each pair so that every trade is swap positive. The 10.7 concept and recovery concept is built into the grid and frankly the final tweaking of the idea came from reading your posts. It is so stress free it is boring and I spend a lot of time on forums :D

I realize that I could probably be more aggressive and the 10.6-9 tools give the chance to do that.

Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Hi james!
What's this simple volatility adjusted grid that you use?
Mind giving me some pointers?
I'm currently on a naked 10.7, may revisit 10.6 to integrate it.
Any other traders with systems that work with 10.7, I'd like to hear some thoughts too.
Currently Slowkey's ribbon looks pretty cool, but doubt I can run the indis on 24 charts on my rig.
Any ideas and pointers are welcome!

Cheers!
Author:  James Roscoe [ Sun May 18, 2014 7:25 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

dispell » Sat May 17, 2014 11:32 pm wrote:
James Roscoe » Sun May 18, 2014 11:34 am wrote:
Thanks for response. The way I trade is that I use a simple volatility adjusted grid on the E/U and U/C, long only for each pair so that every trade is swap positive. The 10.7 concept and recovery concept is built into the grid and frankly the final tweaking of the idea came from reading your posts. It is so stress free it is boring and I spend a lot of time on forums :D

I realize that I could probably be more aggressive and the 10.6-9 tools give the chance to do that.

Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Hi james!
What's this simple volatility adjusted grid that you use?
Mind giving me some pointers?
I'm currently on a naked 10.7, may revisit 10.6 to integrate it.
Any other traders with systems that work with 10.7, I'd like to hear some thoughts too.
Currently Slowkey's ribbon looks pretty cool, but doubt I can run the indis on 24 charts on my rig.
Any ideas and pointers are welcome!

Cheers!
We will visit that at 10.7, so this thread can stay clean. Boldtrader is likely to chime in as well. I will meet you there at some point within 48 hours.
Author:  James Roscoe [ Sun May 18, 2014 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

fok » Sat May 17, 2014 11:16 pm wrote:
nanningbob » Sun May 18, 2014 12:13 am wrote:
James Roscoe » Sun May 18, 2014 7:37 am wrote:"I want traders to be able to speak about their trading styles. I have had people wanting me to talk about MM and trading philosophy. I always thought about writing a book about it but I am tired or writing. So as questions and thoughts come up I will post them here."- nanningbob

Thanks for the opportunity to help you distill your thoughts, bob.

1. You trade 1-4 cents per thousand dollars, and you scale into positions. Without getting too personal, how many parts would you break a final position into?

The maximum I carry is 3, whether I am trend trading or recovery trading. In range trading very difficult to get 3 positions in. Having said that there is usually once maybe twice a year everyone knows a currency is going in one direction. The Fundamental driver is very obvious. Last year it was the JPY in the Spring, and the euro in 2011. When those happen you ride that baby. The euro maybe doing it again this year or the USD maybe the one this year. If they cut QE3 some more be ready to ride the USD with multiple positions.

2. Currencies such as E/U and G/U tend to be very highly correlated. Do you take positions based on the total direction of the major currency ( Long the Euro) or do you treat each currency pair (Long E/U, E/A, E/C, etc) as an independent position?

I treat each currency individually but when the CSS speaks I listen right now the euro is on the bottom and maybe going down quite a bit more. So that is where I will look for opportunities. However, that doesnt mean every euro cross will drop, some may just range or the drop/rise maybe minimal on some pairs. So you still read the charts and go with it.

3. If you do treat each pair as an independent position, do you keep an eye on correlation?

See answer above, again the CSS or big Fundamental will tell you that story. If NZD raises its interest rate again might as well take the ride.

Glad that you have opened this thread! :good:
See answers above. Now that I seem set on my trading system, I really dont see any need or any ability to improve 10.7 with CSS reads used with 10.6 for me. As you can see others are happy to use 10.7 with their systems and that is the beauty of it. I now will look at improving my multiple position trading and see if I can optimize it. I will be looking at my favorite all time indi I used for years and that is my RWB one. That one can keep you in each individual trade. Molding that one with 10.7 greatly intrigues me.
RWB indicator is MACD 12-26-9/ Stochastic1 14/3/5 linear weighted/ Stochastic2 7/3/3/ linear weighted together in one subwindow if your very old template is still valid ... :D
Thanks for that info fok :good:
Author:  nanningbob [ Thu May 22, 2014 12:21 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

Some people think, if I just found the right system I could be a successful trader. Well, the problem with that thinking is a system is only as good as the person who can read the market. In other words, if you cant read or understand what the markets are doing then you wont be able to fit your system into the market. How can I prove that? Just look at all the EA systems out on the market. They work great under certain circumstances but when the market is not doing what the EA fits, its crapola time.

Markets have 4 major types:
1. Trending market: where price heads in one basic direction for a period of time. The trend is your friend, buy and hold, let your winners run, add to you winnings with multiple entrances: are some of the favorite phrases. Works great when the market is trending. EAs designed and written for trending markets work great when the market is trending.

2. Ranging market: this is where price bounces up and down between two points of support and resistance. Things are stable, currencies and economies are happy with the status quo, price becomes very predictable until ......................... bang. Ranging indicators do very well in these markets, bollinger bands, TMA, Vegas systems, Martingales, etc. EAs written to trade ranging markets are the rage. Then the market breaks out into a big trend and there go all your winnings. Trend trading heres a trend, reverse, SL. No, there it is, reverse, SL. On and on it goes.

3. Off hours, dead days, in the last 24 hours the usd/cad moved 3 pips from yesterday's price, nzd/usd 7 pips, eur/jpy 0 (yup same price as 24 hours ago) eur/usd -22. There are days where the market just aint going anywhere. gbp/jpy +97 I was in that one and it was my entire day. It is why I trade 24 pairs so I can catch the exception on a dead day. EAs kill themselves on days like this especially the ones with tight SL. Enter SL, enter SL, enter SL or enter ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

4. Crazy days/big news days. Price moves up 50, goes down 100, up 75, down 200, up 75, down 50, up 150. etc. etc. etc. You just have days like that. EAs get blasted when these happen. I have seen days where price went up 300 down 500 and back up 200 and be at 0 again. Meanwhile every SL was hit and guys are cursing up a storm. You can write EAs until you are blue in the face but I have never seen one that can cover these 4 events when they happen.

The only EA I think that is truly feasible is a long term trend EA that follows weekly/monthly trends. That is why my systems follow weekly/monthly reads and trends. Price action is long term trend-able, short term--anything goes. Until this basic concept is burned into your psyche you will have a very up and down frustrating trading career.

Does that mean you cant be a successful short term trader, no, it doesnt. SlowKey is showing us how to scalp on lower TF using higher TF trends. I think he will be long term successful, I think he has got it.

My point is this. No system really fits all 4 market scenarios. However, learning to recognize what is happening will save you a lot of headaches. Beginner traders make one big mistake. They find a system, it works for a while, the market changes and they dont understand WHY?? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM. No system works in every market. When the market changes you have to change.

(This is just a diversion guys so dont get too excited) OR and this is where some people really get mad at me but this is the one time I find hedging helpful. I call it a time out until the market returns to what you want it to do. Instead of taking a bunch of losses you just freeze the action, wait for the market to change back to what you like to trade and move on. (end of my diversion comment, this is not a defense of hedge trading just the one time I can see it is useful).

So what is my point. Learn a system. Learn it inside out. Learn it so you can do it in your sleep. Learn it so well you recognize when market conditions dont fit your system and you either change or sit it out until it happens again. Learn a system. Learn it until you know nothing else. I dont care if its 10.4 (some are still using it) 10.7 (designed to fit other systems) Capt. Jack's Naked trading (great system by the way) Gann ribbon system, MACD systems, Bollinger Band Systems, James systems, WHATEVER, LEARN it, take the time to know the strengths and weaknesses of a system and then trade it. My 10.0 systems have been one quest, to define the market, to define when it is changing, and then to trade accordingly. That has always been my goal and this has been my results. To those that have learned it and its nuances are reporting that they are making money. I dont care if you like 10.7, 10.6 Edsel, 10.2, there are guys still trading 10.0. Once you learn a system and can adjust it to the market. You are ready to become a successful trader. END of SERMON.
Author:  Jemook [ Thu May 22, 2014 1:44 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

Hey Bob ;)

Here's a tip I'd like to share:

One thing I've noticed in my H1/H4 trend trading strategies targeting moves of ~45 pips is that the moves for the week usually happen on Wednesday and Thursday. Those are always my most profitable days. I've stopped looking for moves on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays and my win ratio is much higher.

Cheers,
Jeremy
Author:  dispell [ Thu May 22, 2014 2:26 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

Jemook » Thu May 22, 2014 9:44 am wrote:Hey Bob ;)

Here's a tip I'd like to share:

One thing I've noticed in my H1/H4 trend trading strategies targeting moves of ~45 pips is that the moves for the week usually happen on Wednesday and Thursday. Those are always my most profitable days. I've stopped looking for moves on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays and my win ratio is much higher.

Cheers,
Jeremy
Wow, never noticed that. Guess I have to observe the charts more often. When do these moves occur? Asian/London/NY session? This may be a good thing to mold some habits on when I dont have much time to attend to the charts all day.
Author:  Jemook [ Thu May 22, 2014 2:47 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

dispell » Thu May 22, 2014 1:26 pm wrote:
Jemook » Thu May 22, 2014 9:44 am wrote:Hey Bob ;)

Here's a tip I'd like to share:

One thing I've noticed in my H1/H4 trend trading strategies targeting moves of ~45 pips is that the moves for the week usually happen on Wednesday and Thursday. Those are always my most profitable days. I've stopped looking for moves on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays and my win ratio is much higher.

Cheers,
Jeremy
Wow, never noticed that. Guess I have to observe the charts more often. When do these moves occur? Asian/London/NY session? This may be a good thing to mold some habits on when I dont have much time to attend to the charts all day.
I feel like start of Euro session on Wednesday is where the big move of the week happens. Don't forget I'm talking about Australian Wednesday. So it would be Tuesday in Europe when the Euro markets open.

It's just an observation and a 'gut feel' so take it with a grain of salt :)
Author:  dispell [ Thu May 22, 2014 3:06 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

Jemook » Thu May 22, 2014 10:47 am wrote:
I feel like start of Euro session on Wednesday is where the big move of the week happens. Don't forget I'm talking about Australian Wednesday. So it would be Tuesday in Europe when the Euro markets open.

It's just an observation and a 'gut feel' so take it with a grain of salt :)
Which part of Aussie are you in (as in timezone)?
Right now I'm on GMT +8, so it shouldn't be that much of a difference, no?
Took a 20+ each on 5 trades or so off the london open, looking to see if its a profitable strat in the long run.
Author:  ianp [ Thu May 22, 2014 3:14 am ]
Post subject:  My philosophy of Trading

Jemook » Thu May 22, 2014 12:47 pm wrote:
I feel like start of Euro session on Wednesday is where the big move of the week happens. Don't forget I'm talking about Australian Wednesday. So it would be Tuesday in Europe
Hi Jeremy ,

I thought when the European session opens on Wednesday it is around 4pm Sydney time on Wednesday is that right ?
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