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Author:  ash.invest [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

sualou - sounds like you are using 5pips buffer from the S/R Level. Some of the trades I have done have been better with 10pip buffer. Yes I have given up some pips as PA would come as close as 1 pip to SR.

What has been your experience ?
squalou wrote:
SteveHopwood wrote:That is a lovely, clear explanation of how to use your indi, sq, so I have linked it in post 1.

Cheers

:D
thanks Steve, that will definitely be helpful.

My "overnight" TP at 2970 was missed by... just 2 little pips ... :roll:
Closed at BE while sleeping anyway.

That is expected to happen sometimes... hitting S/R levels to-the-pip is not written in stone after all... I should have kept it safer by allowing a small buffer.
Better to bank 18-instead-of-20 than nothing!

Rince and repeat.

Next entry sell at 2963, SL hit again...

Rince and repeat.

We are looking for some 80p south to 2873 anyway, so i can afford a few -10's until that...

Sq
Author:  Wobstix [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

Hello all.
Things are looking good here. I am not expecting any fireworks until next year, yet, I anticipate being pleasantly surprised.
Squalou, thank you for your wonderfull indicator. It is a gem.
I was wondering if it was at all possible to include an "Auto" setting for DaysBack.
Either if DaysBack = 0 then it will auto detect the number of days back to go in order to get 2 R's and 2 S's, or a separate true / false setting for AutoDaysBack.
It's not a big deal, but, I think it would be a nice touch.
Looking forward to seeing this baby really rock ! :D
Author:  squalou [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:01 pm ]
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ash.invest wrote:sualou - sounds like you are using 5pips buffer from the S/R Level. Some of the trades I have done have been better with 10pip buffer. Yes I have given up some pips as PA would come as close as 1 pip to SR.

What has been your experience ?
Hi Ash

yes, 5p buffer atm, giving 10p SR "zones" range.

I set my SL to the SR zone range, so 10p.
Rather small, i agree, which means smaller losses, but hit more often.

But because the "next SR level" is usually 50-90p away, i can afford several SL hits when PA decides to hang around...
And the R:R remains quite high, >= 5:1 (a little less due to spread).
The win/loss ratio should of course remain over 1/5 to be profitable

Wider zones will give potentially less loosers, but also less R:R.

It is not easy to decide what buffer to apply, this will depend on
- the pairs due to their specific volatility patterns: use ATR(14,H1) to evaluate the volatility;
- time of the day : again ATR(14,H1) will give you the typical volatility pattern in terms of extension AND time distribution;

- a major factor is the "strength" of the S/R level itself: strong S/R levels will most likely act as bareers, with PA BOUNCING off these strong levels very accurately, sometimes even to-the-pip, rather than continue in the same direction.
These strong levels can be traded with a very small buffer, typically 5p max.
The thing is, because these levels act as bareers, it means PA will NOT care about the general trend when it approaches them.
Therefore Bob's 10.1 logic will not work here unless PA is approaching the SR in a counter-trend move.
In that case the SR will act as a trend resuming trigger, giving a low risk / high reward trade.

It is therefore vital to be able to estimate the "strength" of an SR level.
Not an easy task...

On low volatility periods (for EU : typically from NY-close to Frankfurt-open), PA will very often "go to sleep" and very likely BOUNCE between its last swing around NY close, and some 20-35p away from that, and you can expect a few LOW-RISK BOUNCE TRADES using a simple Stochastic set to 2 hours (stoch(24) on M5).
I am going a bit off topic here... although the "last swing" that gives the anchor for the "night camp" becomes a very strong SR level, giving a high-probability / low-risk bounce trade opportunity, and PA will very likely bounce MULTIPLE times off that level area.
This happens on "quiet" nights, where nothing special happens during the Asian session.

An ATR(14,H1) gives a good view of the volatility pattern of a pair.
As ATR is calculated using an SMA, it has a lag of 14/2 = 7 bars.
You can show a quite time-accurate past volatility line by drawing the ATR(14) on an H1 chart, and apply to that ATR line an SMA(period=1, shift= -7): the SMA-of-ATR line will be synchronized with the PA itself.
You can then see very clearly the periods of low volatility.


I understand all this is quite evasive and is not helping the EA at this very moment... :?
But this gives several research paths to improve the strategy and performance of the EA, eventually even leading to separate derived sub-systems...

Food for thought.

SQ
Author:  astral77 [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

Hi

If my understanding is correct, in a nut shell what you are saying is that in times of low volatility when PA is approaching strong S/R lines then the chances of a BO is quite slim and there is a good chance of a bounce.

Incidentally for the last couple of weeks I have been exchanging emails with Steve on the subject of Volatility. We were discussing the merits of using a volatility indicator, however, the indicator in question is copy righted and can not be posted in open forum. Having said that, I have finally manged to find an open source indicator from Empty4 site which is almost identical (Attached) if you use period 5 settings. The use of it is quite simple, when the line is sloping upwards is high volatility and the chances of a sustained move is quite high. When the line is sloping downwards lower volatility and lower chances of a sustained move and higher chance of reversal. Please bear in mind that this indicator should not be used as a trade trigger, but merely a tool for gauging the force of PA.

Kind Regards
P.S. The volatility indicator is very similar to ATR but IMHO slightly more accurate. Using ATR as Sqaulou suggests, would give similar results.
Author:  garyfritz [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

Astral, FYI have you looked at the code of that indicator? It just plots the width of a price channel. I.e. it finds the highest High and the lowest Low in the last N bars, and subtracts the high High from the low Low.

So if you have a rapid move, the high High and low Low are farther apart and the indicator increases. If the market moves slowly or sideways, the high High and low Low are closer together and the indicator decreases.

Wasn't sure if you had seen what this indicator was actually doing -- thought it might be useful to know.
Author:  astral77 [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

garyfritz wrote:Astral, FYI have you looked at the code of that indicator? -- thought it might be useful to know.
HI Gary

Thanks for the reminder (I had seen the explanation here http://codebase.mql4.com/5087). I think you are implying that it is not doing anything extraordinary. You are absolutely correct.

I really like BOB`s ability to find a Moving average equivalent for any fancy indicator. After all vast majority of them are based on Moving averages. Taking a leaf out of his book I searched to find a simpler, publicly available indicator which does exactly the same job as the copy righted, expensive "advanced synergy volatility indicator".

Kind regards
Author:  SteveHopwood [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

My first live manual trade with sq's indi.

In when the price left the support a little behind. TP just below the next resistance,SL just below the support. +24

The rectangle at the end highlights the trade.

:D
Author:  gustav213 [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

Glad to finally have a place outside of FF to talk about good systems, reading over the whole thread right now and hope to be running it by the new years. I always take a break this time of year due to liquidity issues and just the holidays in general.

Glad the EA is coming out nicely so far, and cannot wait to try this out.
Author:  nanningbob [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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astral77 wrote:
garyfritz wrote:Astral, FYI have you looked at the code of that indicator? -- thought it might be useful to know.
HI Gary

Thanks for the reminder (I had seen the explanation here http://codebase.mql4.com/5087). I think you are implying that it is not doing anything extraordinary. You are absolutely correct.

I really like BOB`s ability to find a Moving average equivalent for any fancy indicator. After all vast majority of them are based on Moving averages. Taking a leaf out of his book I searched to find a simpler, publicly available indicator which does exactly the same job as the copy righted, expensive "advanced synergy volatility indicator".

Kind regards
Awwwwww you gave away my secret. :)
Author:  astral77 [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanningbob 10.1 The EA is here

nanningbob wrote:Awwwwww you gave away my secret. :)
It is an incredible ability to breakdown most indicators and finding an equivalent correlation to moving average crosses, etc. Please give the volatility thingy a go, you may be pleasantly surprised.

It is good to see Steve is trading manually as well. Squalou`s S/R indicator is pure magic and I am using it with other systems as well. In FF seller9 is developing a very useful EA as well which is worth a visit and for all Hanover lovers he has developed an indicator which shows recent strength for the chart attached, you must have the CSV file running for it to function. Read more about it here http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread. ... ost5234706 .

Kind Regards
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