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Author:  jordhopwood [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

EJ
Author:  jordhopwood [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

EU
Author:  jordhopwood [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:58 pm ]
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GU
Author:  mjws00 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disaster Strikes!

ernest02 wrote:The misadventures of a rooky Fox hunter! This time the Fox got me good and solid. Thought he was ready to turn and be satisfied with his meal, but he was still hungry! Ouch!
But I will not give up!
Ernest. This is a perfect read. 3 pushes. You name it, it is there. It is a little late, but even corresponds nicely with New York Reversal. TAKE THIS EVERY TIME and you will make a lot of money.

You just needed to see that it failed, when second leg couldn't put in a Lower Low. Easy BE+ trade. If the entry was late, then it probably ran against you immediately. No worries, trade was still sound. You just take a stop somewhere around the top of the pin. There is a LOT of air to the upside (look left) so tight stop is right.

I would have taken it, but had a bit of a EU long bias, as higher TF charts this looks like a bull flag.

Nice trade, nice chart, nice explanation. Keep it up! Taking a quick loss is part of the deal.

Mike
Author:  ernest02 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disaster Strikes!

mjws00 wrote:
ernest02 wrote:The misadventures of a rooky Fox hunter! This time the Fox got me good and solid. Thought he was ready to turn and be satisfied with his meal, but he was still hungry! Ouch!
But I will not give up!
Ernest. This is a perfect read. 3 pushes. You name it, it is there. It is a little late, but even corresponds nicely with New York Reversal. TAKE THIS EVERY TIME and you will make a lot of money.

You just needed to see that it failed, when second leg couldn't put in a Lower Low. Easy BE+ trade. If the entry was late, then it probably ran against you immediately. No worries, trade was still sound. You just take a stop somewhere around the top of the pin. There is a LOT of air to the upside (look left) so tight stop is right.

I would have taken it, but had a bit of a EU long bias, as higher TF charts this looks like a bull flag.

Nice trade, nice chart, nice explanation. Keep it up! Taking a quick loss is part of the deal.

Mike
Thanks Mike for that encouragement! I forgot to point out that the M was also formed at a major resistance level, which made it a perfect trade for me - but still it did not work.

But thanks again for your encouraging words! One cannot expect a 100% success rate even with "perfectly" timed trades. It is good to know though that my trade setup was correct.
Author:  bernard [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

The time is between NY Close and Asian open and the market is narrowly ranging. So, you may have 2 minutes to read this essay.

A lottery shop has just opened around the corner and sells Heads and Tails only. Very simple, Heads or Tails and drawing is every evening. The odds are 1:1 - No spreads, no commission and no deduction. It cannot get any fairer than that. can it?
At the end of the day the shop owner announces the winner, which is either Heads or Tails. Each ticket is $1.00
Like every lottery shop, the owner opens the shop in the morning and customers come in and buy lottery tickets. Some buy Heads and some buy Tails.
In the first evening the shop owner counts the sold tickets. He sees 500 tickets sold, 220 Heads and 280 Tails.
The drawing being at his own discretion, he announces the Heads as winners.
So he pays $220+$220= $440 to the Head people and keeps the remaining $60.
The buyers go home and start putting the process on charts, draw moving averages and fibonaccis, and prepare for the next day.
The next day the same 500 customers line up at the shop. 220 greedy ones and 280 wounded losers.
Based on conclusions, guesses, statistics, hearsays and scientific formulas, Macro and Micro economics and fundamentals, every one of the 500 buys either Heads or Tails, again.
In the second evening, the shop owner closes the shop and counts the sold tickets. Out of 500 tickets sold, 300 are Heads and 200 are Tails.
So he, being the absolute authority to announce the drawing, announces Tails as winners. Pays $400 to the winners and pockets the remaining $100.
The third day is even more interesting. As usual the 500 customers line up, buy tickets and wait for the drawing.
The shope owner counts the sale of the 3rd day. He has 245 Heads and 255 Tails.
He calculates that if he pays out the winners (which is of course Heads!!), he will be left with $10 only.
"No way" he says. This is not worth my while. So, he announces "No Winners today", you have to buy new tickets tomorrow. (In the meanwhile the customers have got used to this and call it "Ranging day").
If on the 4th day there is still not enough money for him, he will postpone the drawing to the following day again, until there is enough to make it worth his while.
And this lottery shop keeps prospering and growing and growing.....
I don't know what the morale of the story is, but my questions is, what should we call those 500 customers?
Disclaimer: All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, trading Forex or not, is purely coincidental.
Bernard
Author:  f451 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Disaster Strikes!

ernest02 wrote:The misadventures of a rooky Fox hunter! This time the Fox got me good and solid. Thought he was ready to turn and be satisfied with his meal, but he was still hungry! Ouch!
But I will not give up!
earnest you were almost exactly right on this - you saw the consolidation, widening of the spread, the stop hunt - the only thing you missed was the higher timeframe trend (reversal) and the peak low in the background....

this is why I said earlier that it's best not to trade against the first rise out of a peak low, or the first fall out of a peak high... you will be fighting the trend...
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BTW Mike is also right about this - if you trade an M in expectation of a push short but it turns out to be a W before a push long, just set your stop to BE as the second leg of the M part stalls. You don't need to lose money on getting these wrong. Sweet isn't it? :D
Author:  f451 [ Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

Forgot to add that if you see a peak low (or peak high) followed by a level 1 rise (fall), then the next move is almost certainly going to be another rise (fall).

CJ talks about *three* pushes on the 4HR or Daily chart - this is the current daily trend - if you've seen the first move up or down, and you can see a peak low (or high) behind it - then you know where it's most likely to go don't you?
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Author:  bernard [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

f451 wrote:Forgot to add that if you see a peak low (or peak high) followed by a level 1 rise (fall), then the next move is almost certainly going to be another rise (fall).

CJ talks about *three* pushes on the 4HR or Daily chart - this is the current daily trend - if you've seen the first move up or down, and you can see a peak low (or high) behind it - then you know where it's most likely to go don't you?
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Hi f451,

Thank you for your input.
How do you describe "peak high", or peak low for that matter?

Thanks
Bernard
Author:  f451 [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Captains Chest - Naked Trading & Other Stuff

bernard wrote:
f451 wrote:Forgot to add that if you see a peak low (or peak high) followed by a level 1 rise (fall), then the next move is almost certainly going to be another rise (fall).

CJ talks about *three* pushes on the 4HR or Daily chart - this is the current daily trend - if you've seen the first move up or down, and you can see a peak low (or high) behind it - then you know where it's most likely to go don't you?
naked disaster-sk.png
Hi f451,

Thank you for your input.
How do you describe "peak high", or peak low for that matter?

Thanks
Bernard
Have a look at my posts in this thread - there are a few on identifying the peak high and low.
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