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Author:  tonyharmony [ Thu May 19, 2016 6:09 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

tonyharmony » Thu May 19, 2016 8:51 am wrote:Good morning all, or whatever the time of day it is in your country, here in OZ it's morning...

Anyway, I haven't posted here for a long time, been busy playing around with Steve's HGBnG EA among others.
I have been chatting via PM with RisklessPips (Charles) over the past few days with regards to his strategy using this combination of the 6ths grid + HGI, and his interest in Global Prime (as he is wishing to convert). I feel this really highlights important turning points in the market, and really adds clarity to the entries. Looking forward to playing with HGI again!
I also must thank Bob again, not only for giving us HGI, but this 6ths strategy dating back to 2010 on FF...
Hats off to you Bob, and thanks... :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ok, my main point of writing this post is to highlight the differences in brokers.
I have attached the same AU daily chart that Charles attached a few posts back. His short entry was just below his upper Blue Line. On my GP live account AU chart there is considerable difference, as for me I would have placed the pending short at the close of the engulfing candle that has the Blue wavy + the Red Trend arrow, a very strong signal, all of which happens to be below the 6ths Yellow Line.

But having said all that, it goes to show that even though the charts are slightly different, both our trades would have paid off, so I don't trade what I think I know, I trade what I see! ...
Personally, I prefer GP for several reasons, a) Their transparency, b) Honesty, and c) they are here in OZ, so that is three of a perfect pair for me! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Just my 2 cents. Happy trading all...

Cheers
Tony :xm:
Ok apologies are in order! I didn't realize that the zoom affects the placement of the 6ths Lines.

Here is an updated snapshot... This is exactly what happens when one doesn't sleep, and doesn't read up enough! Back to the old drawing board... :arrrg: :arrrg: :arrrg:

Cheers
Tony
Author:  milanese [ Thu May 19, 2016 6:36 am ]
Post subject:  HGI updated to new expiry

I have updated first post with HGI versions having the new expiry date of oct first, 2016. Please delete first old files, than install new ones, 16.07 is now updated to 16.08 as this version has the useful new feature to hide, if wanted RAD or RANGE signals(OOTB they are not hidden), if you use EAs using HGI please adapt the input to version 16.08.

Cheers :)

Tommaso
Author:  dydynamic [ Thu May 19, 2016 6:42 am ]
Post subject:  HGI updated to new expiry

milanese » Thu May 19, 2016 6:36 am wrote:I have updated first post with HGI versions having the new expiry date of oct first, 2016. Please delete first old files, than install new ones, 16.07 is now updated to 16.08 as this version has the useful new feature to hide, if wanted RAD or RANGE signals(OOTB they are not hidden), if you use EAs using HGI please adapt the input to version 16.08.

Cheers :)

Tommaso
You are always a darling :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Author:  RisklessPips [ Thu May 19, 2016 8:08 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

honeytov » Thu May 19, 2016 5:51 am wrote:Thanx Bob and Steve and everybody here! :good:

I notice that the 6ths indi is repainted. It is different with the amount of candles on the current sreen. That may like HGI,eh? :youknow:

I am interested in the strategy of the 6ths with HGI. Can someone share the experience of it?

THX
Honey
This is how I use the combination of HGI, 6ths and now Semafor. - Apologies to Tony - I am using the description I wrote to you minus any personal stuff - saves me having to reinvent the wheel :shock:

============

I trade HGI on all majors and timeframes 1h thru to MN.

I have an 8 period EMA on closing prices - which doesn't vary regardless of pair or TF. Why 8 ? Because that is a working day on 1hr, a full day on 4h, 1 week on W1 and almost 1 yr on MN !

I then put HGI on the charts and overlay that with the 6ths indicator.

I have also recently started using the semafor ind which is part of HGBnG

What I then do is for each pair I am trading and for each TF - I make a very quick scan of the chart.

I am looking for signals and triggers as follows

A++ Signals and Trades
Signal - 8 MA above the top 6ths blue grid line
Trigger - Other supporting sell HGI indi formations AND/OR the 8 MA starting its move back down the grid below the top 6ths blue line
Action = Sell
No stops or TP used

Signal - 8 MA below the low 6ths blue grid line
Trigger - Other supporting buy HGI indi formations AND/OR the 8 MA starting its move back up the grid above the low 6ths blue line
Action = Buy
No stops or TP used

These signals and triggers are uncanny - I tend to use stop orders placed just below or above the blue 6th lines as appropriate to enter market.

Trade management - On a long trade when price gets to the low yellow line, I move my (mental) stop loss to BE. When it gets to the white middle line I start trailing it by the no of pips between the yellow and blue lines. I take profit when it gets near the opposing blue line OR I allow my TS to take me out. Vice versa for short trades.

Addendum - I have now also started to put a trail on my entry trade immediately because the 6ths tells me the distance in pips between the lines why wait till it gets to yellow. As price rises or falls I just watch that gravy train :)

I am also now experimenting with stacking trades (using a manual script) hence one of my interests in the grid system of trades in HGBnB. (In fact I had derived a manual version of this but it got me into eye watering DD had to abandon that experiment. 8-) ) -

These trades are A++ because they ride the trends from the more predictable outer range boundaries into the median and price (almost) always goes back there !

A+ Signals and Trade

Signal - Blue wavy line
Triggers - Red (Green) trend arrow within 2 bars of the signal (2 bars max regardless of TF)
Action = Enter sell on next opening candle if Red arrow else buy if green
No hard stop or TP - I manage these manually

Signal - Blue wavy line
Trigger - Hi or Lo Semafor again within 2 bars of the signal
Action = Enter buy on next opening candle if Lo semafor else sell if Hi
No hard stop or TP - I manage these manually

These are A+ signals because they can arise in the yellow zone and I call that the "death by a hundred whipsaws" zone.

ps - The signal can be the trigger pattern and vice versa just depends on which pattern HGI draws first !

A - Signal and Trade

Signal Gold wavy line
Trigger - Blue wavy within 2 bars of the signal
Action - If market is below the signal and trigger sell else buy
No hard stop or TP as usual

B Signal and Trade

Price coming out of the yellow zone towards the top of the 6ths grid = Buy
Price coming out of the yellow mid zone towards the bottom of the 6ths grid = Sell
No hard stop or TP - but I watch these like a hawk in case the whipsaw cranks up !

These are B signals because typically the moves are smaller than those above

XXX Signal and Trade

If price is moving into (as opposed to out of see B type signals above) the yellow zone - I wont touch it with your barge pole :mrgreen:

have a look at the pdf I attach to see examples of what I am doing - it really is much easier and simpler in pictures than in words.
HGI_6ths_Semafor proposal.pdf
Author:  Wavegarrick [ Thu May 19, 2016 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

Hi RisklessPips,

Briliant clear and concise description of how you trade this and worthy of testing :good:

Thanks a million
Tc
Author:  tonyharmony [ Thu May 19, 2016 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

RisklessPips » Thu May 19, 2016 6:08 pm wrote:
This is how I use the combination of HGI, 6ths and now Semafor. - Apologies to Tony - I am using the description I wrote to you minus any personal stuff - saves me having to reinvent the wheel :shock:

============

I trade HGI on all majors and timeframes 1h thru to MN.

I have an 8 period EMA on closing prices - which doesn't vary regardless of pair or TF. Why 8 ? Because that is a working day on 1hr, a full day on 4h, 1 week on W1 and almost 1 yr on MN !

I then put HGI on the charts and overlay that with the 6ths indicator.

I have also recently started using the semafor ind which is part of HGBnG

What I then do is for each pair I am trading and for each TF - I make a very quick scan of the chart.

I am looking for signals and triggers as follows

A++ Signals and Trades
Signal - 8 MA above the top 6ths blue grid line
Trigger - Other supporting sell HGI indi formations AND/OR the 8 MA starting its move back down the grid below the top 6ths blue line
Action = Sell
No stops or TP used

Signal - 8 MA below the low 6ths blue grid line
Trigger - Other supporting buy HGI indi formations AND/OR the 8 MA starting its move back up the grid above the low 6ths blue line
Action = Buy
No stops or TP used

These signals and triggers are uncanny - I tend to use stop orders placed just below or above the blue 6th lines as appropriate to enter market.

Trade management - On a long trade when price gets to the low yellow line, I move my (mental) stop loss to BE. When it gets to the white middle line I start trailing it by the no of pips between the yellow and blue lines. I take profit when it gets near the opposing blue line OR I allow my TS to take me out. Vice versa for short trades.

Addendum - I have now also started to put a trail on my entry trade immediately because the 6ths tells me the distance in pips between the lines why wait till it gets to yellow. As price rises or falls I just watch that gravy train :)

I am also now experimenting with stacking trades (using a manual script) hence one of my interests in the grid system of trades in HGBnB. (In fact I had derived a manual version of this but it got me into eye watering DD had to abandon that experiment. 8-) ) -

These trades are A++ because they ride the trends from the more predictable outer range boundaries into the median and price (almost) always goes back there !

A+ Signals and Trade

Signal - Blue wavy line
Triggers - Red (Green) trend arrow within 2 bars of the signal (2 bars max regardless of TF)
Action = Enter sell on next opening candle if Red arrow else buy if green
No hard stop or TP - I manage these manually

Signal - Blue wavy line
Trigger - Hi or Lo Semafor again within 2 bars of the signal
Action = Enter buy on next opening candle if Lo semafor else sell if Hi
No hard stop or TP - I manage these manually

These are A+ signals because they can arise in the yellow zone and I call that the "death by a hundred whipsaws" zone.

ps - The signal can be the trigger pattern and vice versa just depends on which pattern HGI draws first !

A - Signal and Trade

Signal Gold wavy line
Trigger - Blue wavy within 2 bars of the signal
Action - If market is below the signal and trigger sell else buy
No hard stop or TP as usual

B Signal and Trade

Price coming out of the yellow zone towards the top of the 6ths grid = Buy
Price coming out of the yellow mid zone towards the bottom of the 6ths grid = Sell
No hard stop or TP - but I watch these like a hawk in case the whipsaw cranks up !

These are B signals because typically the moves are smaller than those above

XXX Signal and Trade

If price is moving into (as opposed to out of see B type signals above) the yellow zone - I wont touch it with your barge pole :mrgreen:

have a look at the pdf I attach to see examples of what I am doing - it really is much easier and simpler in pictures than in words.
No apologies necessary my friend, so glad you could share it with everyone... :clap: :clap: :clap:
Your approach is definitely worth testing. Take care Charles...

Kind regards
Tony :xm:
Author:  honeytov [ Thu May 19, 2016 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

RisklessPips » Thu May 19, 2016 8:08 am wrote:have a look at the pdf I attach to see examples of what I am doing - it really is much easier and simpler in pictures than in words.

You are very nice! :cheer: :clap:
I am going to read the doc time and time again tonight. :youknow:

THX
Honey
Author:  RisklessPips [ Thu May 19, 2016 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  HGI

honeytov » Thu May 19, 2016 11:44 am wrote:
You are very nice! :cheer: :clap:
I am going to read the doc time and time again tonight. :youknow:

THX
Honey
Thanks Honey but the real nice people are the ones who put together the indis, EA's, scripts and ideas on this site. To all of you I'm grateful and so appreciative of your work, effort and intellect.
Author:  taipan [ Thu May 19, 2016 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  HGI updated to new expiry

milanese » Thu May 19, 2016 2:36 pm wrote:I have updated first post with HGI versions having the new expiry date of oct first, 2016. Please delete first old files, than install new ones, 16.07 is now updated to 16.08 as this version has the useful new feature to hide, if wanted RAD or RANGE signals(OOTB they are not hidden), if you use EAs using HGI please adapt the input to version 16.08.

Cheers :)

Tommaso
Thanks a million. You are a great star.
Author:  SteveHopwood [ Thu May 19, 2016 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  HGI

I feel that Charles' ideas deserve consideration and experimentation in their own right, so with his permission I have opened a thread and made over ownership of it to him. I tell you guys, there are times when being the forum owner is an utter joy.

Let the discussion commence at http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3 ... 60#p140660

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