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Author:  cfudge [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:46 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
NewTrader » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:19 pm wrote:Hey all,

Renexxxx I am really excited to see the matrix in action. It looks fantastic.
I have a few questions that I know are user error (that would be me).

I have downloaded v.23 and put it in indicators but when loading it I can't see all the pairs. It stops somewhere in the euro section and the second column seems to pick up somewhere in the GBP section. I know it must be something I am doing wrong or a option I need to change. Also I didn't get the time remaining in the bar that Paul contributed when I loaded the Matrix v.23. And if I could ask...I saw that Al had the matrix as a stand alone in a pic he posted as opposed to being on a chart. How did he do that...was it loaded onto a blank template? Or some other way? All the pairs are not showing up that are loaded in the options - I only see three of the Aud pairs one of the CAD pairs three GBP pairs etc.....

At the risk of being ignorant what is the difference between the lib and non lib versions? Which should we be using? And if we disable the hurst will we see the signals as generated by 15.06 whereas if we enable the Hurst we will see the signals as generated by 15.08?

I know it's a lot of questions...thanks in advance for the help from you guys and gals on this forum...you are a blessing.

Chris
I cant get 23L to load at all and cant get 23 to cooperate. Won't load all symbols or TFs
Author:  NewTrader [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:23 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
cfudge » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:46 pm wrote:
NewTrader » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:19 pm wrote:Hey all,

Renexxxx I am really excited to see the matrix in action. It looks fantastic.
I have a few questions that I know are user error (that would be me).

I have downloaded v.23 and put it in indicators but when loading it I can't see all the pairs. It stops somewhere in the euro section and the second column seems to pick up somewhere in the GBP section. I know it must be something I am doing wrong or a option I need to change. Also I didn't get the time remaining in the bar that Paul contributed when I loaded the Matrix v.23. And if I could ask...I saw that Al had the matrix as a stand alone in a pic he posted as opposed to being on a chart. How did he do that...was it loaded onto a blank template? Or some other way? All the pairs are not showing up that are loaded in the options - I only see three of the Aud pairs one of the CAD pairs three GBP pairs etc.....

At the risk of being ignorant what is the difference between the lib and non lib versions? Which should we be using? And if we disable the hurst will we see the signals as generated by 15.06 whereas if we enable the Hurst we will see the signals as generated by 15.08?

I know it's a lot of questions...thanks in advance for the help from you guys and gals on this forum...you are a blessing.

Chris
I cant get 23L to load at all and cant get 23 to cooperate. Won't load all symbols or TFs

The time remaining finally loaded...I guess my laptop is a slug so it took some time...I think I understand how to get the Matrix to stand alone..it looks like we load it onto a blank template.

I can't seem to get all the pairs to load either cfudge. I get TF's but not all symbols.

Chris
Author:  renexxxx [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: I have downloaded v.23 and put it in indicators but when loading it I can't see all the pairs.
This is most likely due to ShowOnlyHurst being true. The matrix filters out signals that do not agree with the Hurst condition, it simply removes the signals from the cell. And if there are no signals (due to that) for any timeframe, it will completely bypass that particular currency pair.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: Also I didn't get the time remaining in the bar that Paul contributed when I loaded the Matrix v.23.
No sure what is happening there.Can you send me a screen shot of what you do get? The code is certainly in there, I checked.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: And if I could ask...I saw that Al had the matrix as a stand alone in a pic he posted as opposed to being on a chart. How did he do that...was it loaded onto a blank template?
You can certainly load the matrix onto a blank chart, in order not to get confused with the underlying candles. Incidentally, a blank chart is just a normal chart, of which all the colors have been set to NONE.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: At the risk of being ignorant what is the difference between the lib and non lib versions? Which should we be using?
From a technical, or coding point of view, the non-lib version 'calls' the HGI_v15.06.ex4 indicator (or what ever version of the indicator you specify for the HGIndicator parameter) for each symbol, timeframe and shift, in order to obtain its signals. This call is achieved through the iCustom() function. The way this works, is that this indicator is loaded into memory for each symbol and the reference to this memory is cached such that for each subsequent iCustom call (for the same symbol and indicator) the indicator does not need to be reloaded.
The lib-version, calls a couple of functions, notably getHGISignal() and getHGISlope() directly, for a given symbol, timeframe and shift. The magic that happens inside these functions, is the same magic that produces the arrows in the HGI_v15.06.ex4 indicator.
What are the differences:
(1) It is far more efficient to call these library functions directly from the library, than it is to load these indicators in memory and call them via the iCustom function.
(2) However, there is a distinct advantage (if you want to call it like that) of using the indicator-version, as the indicator, once loaded, does not repaint earlier calculated signals (for bar=1 and above). You can call the indicator for a given symbol, timeframe and shift (above 0) a thousand times, and each time it will give you the same signal. This might not necessarily be the case with the lib-version.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: And if we disable the hurst will we see the signals as generated by 15.06 whereas if we enable the Hurst we will see the signals as generated by 15.08?
I guess that 15.08 has a Hurst filter than can be switched on and off with a parameter (Tommaso?) That would be a double whammy, though, as the matrix has this logic built in. So, I would argue that you don't need 15.08 for the matrix.

Hope this answers your questions.
Author:  renexxxx [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:42 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
cfudge » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:46 pm wrote: I cant get 23L to load at all and cant get 23 to cooperate. Won't load all symbols or TFs
Would you be so kind to specify what you DO get. I can not remotely debug your problem if you say: "it doesn't cooperate". The "won't load all symbols" problem can have been resolved in my previous post, directed to Chris. Look at 'ShowOnlyHurst'.

I spend a lot of time coding these things. It is appreciated if you spend a tiny little bit of your time to put your thinking cap up, read the thread and try to work out things for yourselves.
Author:  cfudge [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:01 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
renexxxx » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:42 pm wrote:
cfudge » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:46 pm wrote: I cant get 23L to load at all and cant get 23 to cooperate. Won't load all symbols or TFs
Would you be so kind to specify what you DO get. I can not remotely debug your problem if you say: "it doesn't cooperate". The "won't load all symbols" problem can have been resolved in my previous post, directed to Chris. Look at 'ShowOnlyHurst'.

I spend a lot of time coding these things. It is appreciated if you spend a tiny little bit of your time to put your thinking cap up, read the thread and try to work out things for yourselves.
HI Rene
Sorry to have sounded unappreciative.
I have gone back to earlier version now but I believe you may have been right as to the Hurst thing. What did come up was 4 symbols (0f the 14 specified) with just one TF (I had specified 240,60,1440). I may try again later when time permits and see if more symbols show with their respective TFs as Hurst relevant signals are produced. I am BTW using 15-08

With regards to 23L it wouldn't load onto the chart when dragged from the indicator list. I have the lib file in library and even the other in include but no joy. I started the platform a few times without success.

Chris Fudge
Author:  renexxxx [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:47 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
cfudge » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:01 pm wrote:I am BTW using 15-08
Don't use 15.08 for now. It hasn't been tested with 15.08 and the additional functionality that 15.08 gives (Hurst), is of no relevance to HGIMatrix, as this check is done inside the HGIMatrix code.
cfudge » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:01 pm wrote: With regards to 23L it wouldn't load onto the chart when dragged from the indicator list. I have the lib file in library and even the other in include but no joy. I started the platform a few times without success.
Any error messages inside the 'Experts'-tab?
Author:  NewTrader [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
renexxxx » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:36 pm wrote:
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: I have downloaded v.23 and put it in indicators but when loading it I can't see all the pairs.
This is most likely due to ShowOnlyHurst being true. The matrix filters out signals that do not agree with the Hurst condition, it simply removes the signals from the cell. And if there are no signals (due to that) for any timeframe, it will completely bypass that particular currency pair.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: Also I didn't get the time remaining in the bar that Paul contributed when I loaded the Matrix v.23.
No sure what is happening there.Can you send me a screen shot of what you do get? The code is certainly in there, I checked.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: And if I could ask...I saw that Al had the matrix as a stand alone in a pic he posted as opposed to being on a chart. How did he do that...was it loaded onto a blank template?
You can certainly load the matrix onto a blank chart, in order not to get confused with the underlying candles. Incidentally, a blank chart is just a normal chart, of which all the colors have been set to NONE.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: At the risk of being ignorant what is the difference between the lib and non lib versions? Which should we be using?
From a technical, or coding point of view, the non-lib version 'calls' the HGI_v15.06.ex4 indicator (or what ever version of the indicator you specify for the HGIndicator parameter) for each symbol, timeframe and shift, in order to obtain its signals. This call is achieved through the iCustom() function. The way this works, is that this indicator is loaded into memory for each symbol and the reference to this memory is cached such that for each subsequent iCustom call (for the same symbol and indicator) the indicator does not need to be reloaded.
The lib-version, calls a couple of functions, notably getHGISignal() and getHGISlope() directly, for a given symbol, timeframe and shift. The magic that happens inside these functions, is the same magic that produces the arrows in the HGI_v15.06.ex4 indicator.
What are the differences:
(1) It is far more efficient to call these library functions directly from the library, than it is to load these indicators in memory and call them via the iCustom function.
(2) However, there is a distinct advantage (if you want to call it like that) of using the indicator-version, as the indicator, once loaded, does not repaint earlier calculated signals (for bar=1 and above). You can call the indicator for a given symbol, timeframe and shift (above 0) a thousand times, and each time it will give you the same signal. This might not necessarily be the case with the lib-version.
NewTrader » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:19 am wrote: And if we disable the hurst will we see the signals as generated by 15.06 whereas if we enable the Hurst we will see the signals as generated by 15.08?
I guess that 15.08 has a Hurst filter than can be switched on and off with a parameter (Tommaso?) That would be a double whammy, though, as the matrix has this logic built in. So, I would argue that you don't need 15.08 for the matrix.

Hope this answers your questions.
Hey Rene,

Thank you so very much for taking the time to give such detailed answers.
They do help a whole lot.
I had noticed after waiting awhile that Baluda's time remaining had come on the Matrix for me (my comp took awhile to get there.) But I also noticed some of the missing pairs showed up as well and figured they were not there prior because there was no signal from them yet. And as per your answer I see now that is the case.
Got the screen to show as well...experimenting with the cell width, height and screen height did it.
Again, thanks for the help and the Matrix is outstanding.
Author:  milanese [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  HGIMatrix
renexxxx » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:36 am wrote: I guess that 15.08 has a Hurst filter than can be switched on and off with a parameter (Tommaso?) That would be a double whammy, though, as the matrix has this logic built in. So, I would argue that you don't need 15.08 for the matrix.

Hope this answers your questions.
In 15.08 you can use the input useHurstFilter for switching on/off the Hurst filter. 15.08 is only made, for all useres who wished to have an Hurst filter embedded in the HGI. Use for the matrix always 15.06.
As matrix has the same Hurst filter already embedded..

Cheers :)

Tommaso
Author:  jasa1975 [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  HGI
Hi all
I read in the manual that the big arrow together with the wavey line are great trades and i have had some luck with them. I trade the 4 hour but was thinking of trading the daily, 4 hr and maybe the hourly. just using this signal. Is there any way i can filter to recieve just this combined signal and nothing else? or maybe in the future. I did ask in the Matrix thread with no luck.

Thanks if anyone can help.
Jasa
Author:  Nidolap [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  HGI
jasa1975 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:36 am wrote:Hi all
I read in the manual that the big arrow together with the wavey line are great trades and i have had some luck with them. I trade the 4 hour but was thinking of trading the daily, 4 hr and maybe the hourly. just using this signal. Is there any way i can filter to recieve just this combined signal and nothing else? or maybe in the future. I did ask in the Matrix thread with no luck.

Thanks if anyone can help.
Jasa
You can do that tweaking the HGI settings, disable all the Alerts except those you want to receive. You can also configure the Empty4 to send you an email every time an alert pops up.
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