banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote: The trick is doing things BEFORE they occur. Those candles are RUN FOR PROFITS. MMs should have been given clues about those movements. That is the mission of the Naked Trading method. Remember that a RUN FOR PROFITS is, at the same time, A POSITION BUILDING. They have money...We don't.

Before you run Banteka, could you please explain a bit further what you mean with this. Could you give a few short notes on "RUN FOR PROFITS" and "POSITION BUILDING".

RUN FOR PROFITS: The MMs need to make money. Thus, they move the price very fast in order to obtain profits, as we see when a release or news are about to happen.

POSITION BUILDING: Process whereby MMs place SELLING or BUYING orders in order to take the money in a RUN FOR PROFITS process.

A long candle in H1 is always a Run For Profits process and a Building Position process.

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote: The trick is doing things BEFORE they occur. Those candles are RUN FOR PROFITS. MMs should have been given clues about those movements. That is the mission of the Naked Trading method. Remember that a RUN FOR PROFITS is, at the same time, A POSITION BUILDING. They have money...We don't.

Before you run Banteka, could you please explain a bit further what you mean with this. Could you give a few short notes on "RUN FOR PROFITS" and "POSITION BUILDING".

RUN FOR PROFITS: The MMs need to make money. Thus, they move the price very fast in order to obtain profits, as we see when a release or news are about to happen.

POSITION BUILDING: Process whereby MMs place SELLING or BUYING orders in order to take the money in a RUN FOR PROFITS process.

A long candle in H1 is always a Run For Profits process and a Building Position process.

I hope you will bear with me here please. MMs are buying and selling all the time. At what point exactly do they BOOK A PROFIT. Is it possible to define this point? What on the chart helps you to define this point?

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote: The trick is doing things BEFORE they occur. Those candles are RUN FOR PROFITS. MMs should have been given clues about those movements. That is the mission of the Naked Trading method. Remember that a RUN FOR PROFITS is, at the same time, A POSITION BUILDING. They have money...We don't.

Before you run Banteka, could you please explain a bit further what you mean with this. Could you give a few short notes on "RUN FOR PROFITS" and "POSITION BUILDING".

RUN FOR PROFITS: The MMs need to make money. Thus, they move the price very fast in order to obtain profits, as we see when a release or news are about to happen.

POSITION BUILDING: Process whereby MMs place SELLING or BUYING orders in order to take the money in a RUN FOR PROFITS process.

A long candle in H1 is always a Run For Profits process and a Building Position process.

I hope you will bear with me here please. MMs are buying and selling all the time. At what point exactly do they BOOK A PROFIT. Is it possible to define this point? What on the chart helps you to define this point?

Pedigree wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote: The trick is doing things BEFORE they occur. Those candles are RUN FOR PROFITS. MMs should have been given clues about those movements. That is the mission of the Naked Trading method. Remember that a RUN FOR PROFITS is, at the same time, A POSITION BUILDING. They have money...We don't.

Before you run Banteka, could you please explain a bit further what you mean with this. Could you give a few short notes on "RUN FOR PROFITS" and "POSITION BUILDING".

RUN FOR PROFITS: The MMs need to make money. Thus, they move the price very fast in order to obtain profits, as we see when a release or news are about to happen.

POSITION BUILDING: Process whereby MMs place SELLING or BUYING orders in order to take the money in a RUN FOR PROFITS process.

A long candle in H1 is always a Run For Profits process and a Building Position process.

I hope you will bear with me here please. MMs are buying and selling all the time. At what point exactly do they BOOK A PROFIT. Is it possible to define this point? What on the chart helps you to define this point?

On weighing things further, I think they book their profit when they switch the direction of price around - right or wrong?

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:

banteka wrote: The trick is doing things BEFORE they occur. Those candles are RUN FOR PROFITS. MMs should have been given clues about those movements. That is the mission of the Naked Trading method. Remember that a RUN FOR PROFITS is, at the same time, A POSITION BUILDING. They have money...We don't.

Before you run Banteka, could you please explain a bit further what you mean with this. Could you give a few short notes on "RUN FOR PROFITS" and "POSITION BUILDING".

RUN FOR PROFITS: The MMs need to make money. Thus, they move the price very fast in order to obtain profits, as we see when a release or news are about to happen.

POSITION BUILDING: Process whereby MMs place SELLING or BUYING orders in order to take the money in a RUN FOR PROFITS process.

A long candle in H1 is always a Run For Profits process and a Building Position process.

I hope you will bear with me here please. MMs are buying and selling all the time. At what point exactly do they BOOK A PROFIT. Is it possible to define this point? What on the chart helps you to define this point?

In a VERY FAST MOVEMENT, a very long candle, MARUBOZU kind, They are very easy to identify in M15.

Pedigree wrote:
When you buy, you don't book a profit until you close;

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote:
When you buy, you don't book a profit until you close;

I don't agree. You are in profits WHILE YOU HAVE YOUR ORDER OPENED, that's is how MMs consider it.
They do not mind whether you are wining or loosing. Their mission is to force you to close your position by triggering your Stop Loss or simply by psychology. And thats the way you have to look at MMs. Yesterday I opened a LONG position in EUR/USD just BEFORE an important release. The movement started violently against my direction and in a moment I was at -350 euros. But I knew that it was only a deception of the FOX. Signals were clearly that MMs were BULLS. A quarter of hour later, price rose beyond my entry point, giving me a wining trade. Those signals were previously provided by PRICE + VOLUME analysis.

Pedigree wrote: I don't really understand that - what they do to cause the long candle and how exactly that puts money in their pockets. I will go weigh it up and maybe come back with a better question - if you haven't run out of patience with me by then! You've been soooo good. Thank you.

banteka wrote:

Pedigree wrote: I don't really understand that - what they do to cause the long candle and how exactly that puts money in their pockets. I will go weigh it up and maybe come back with a better question - if you haven't run out of patience with me by then! You've been soooo good. Thank you.

Well. First of all you have to think that there are always retailer's pending orders up and down of the price.
Second you have to believe that MMs KNOW EXACTLY where those pending orders are and how much of them in each direction. This is a fact. You are being spied by the MMs. ALWAYS.
Third: the MMs, at a given moment, have more LONGS than SHORTS in their portfolio. So they have to SELL because the imbalance is to the LONGS side. Understand?. Now, in order for them to SELL, someone has to BUY. Ok?
So the perfect movement is PUSHING UP THE PRICE giving the fake sensation that price is going to rise. Hence, you, as a retailer, BUY. From WHO? From the MMs. So they rise the price making two very important things:
1.- Hit the LONG PENDING ORDERS. Those orders are BUY ORDERS in fact.
2.- Induce other traders to BUY in that moment. More SELLING for the MMs.

Well. Then, when you as BUYER and PENDING ORDERS ARE TRAPPED, they switch the directiion till two things occur:

1.- STOP LOSES are triggered, making the previous LONGS orders become SELLING ones.
2.- Using psycology to force other traders to exit with loses, more SELLING ORDERS to the process.

And the price violently DROPS...like a nuclear chain reaction. MMs only need to find the critical mass.

The money is obtained because THEY SELL. And then, the imbalance is in their SELL side. And so on.

Please, give me a rest...