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| Author: | sanook [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
This might be a very efficient weapon.... And still trying to find another platform with the other hand. |
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| Author: | Jemook [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
I never felt like a ninja when I used Ninjatrader.. |
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| Author: | jakatarung [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:48 am ] |
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Before you trade using ninjatrader, be sure to watch this quick video.. this pretty girl will show you how to be a ninja while trade using ninjatrader in 30 sec..with no brain! |
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| Author: | simplex [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | TradeStation |
To me sounds a bit like CrapTS ... -simplex |
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| Author: | simplex [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
free Empty4 code conversion tool: in those 25 years I'm working professionally in the IT business I stumbled upon several automated conversion tools ... well: all of them managed to convert a Hello World code properly. Most of them managed to convert a fancy coloured Hello World code properly. All of them failed one way or the other when they had to deal with something more sophisticated, closer to real world programs. Did anybody try to automatically convert a full featured EA with a dashboard GUI? I'd be interested very much to see the result. bridge to Empty4: This is something that might work. Server sided bridging should result in some kind of protocol conversion which usually is much easier to achieve compared to program code conversion. Both options as well as a third one (Empty4 code compatibility on the target platform) would have to be tested thoroughly. Cheers, Jürgen |
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| Author: | SteveHopwood [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
I received this pm from babalu4u a few minutes ago. One of the many great thingies about being a PCA is that I can instantly implement a good idea. I have created a new forum, Alternative Platforms; find it at the end of the Index page. This forum will actually consist of sub-forums, each dedicated to a different platform. The structure of each sub-forum will consists of further sf's, each dedicated to different aspects. At the mo, there is only one, for Ctrader and cAlgo, so its structure is:
PM me with your requests to add further sf's for your favoured platform. I will need its name and the sf structure you require. It is a bit of a time-consuming faff setting this up, so it will take a while if I receive a large number of requests. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Jem that a change of platform needs to arise from the membership rather than coming from the brokers - although that may happen anyhow if Crapperquotes continues to piss off the brokers. Basic to any change would be easy conversion of all our EA's, indi's, utilities and scripts. I don't fancy saying to those who have produced such fantastic stuff here, "Erm. Please could you rewrite the 15 indi's in your thread in a different language. Please.....pretty please." I might receive some ripe language right back. I would not object to having to learn a 'proper' language such as C# or C++, but I really do not fancy then re-writing mptm. Mind, I would write it better second time around. |
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| Author: | f451 [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
I'm a pretty serious JForex coder. A couple of points to note 1/ Dukascopy is an excellent broker. Narrow spreads, excellent fills, great reputation for service. They are basically only in the Forex market, not futures , CFDs or other markets. You can get a permanent Dukascopy demo, but it may require you to be persuasive or have a live account. 2/ JForex is really rather tricky. It is much, much harder to code decent indicators in JForex than Empty4. The JForex java interface paradigm is confusing, and revolves deeply around consumable arrays as input and output, which even after 2 years JForex experience, still causes me confusion. I have written probably over a hundred JForex indicators. ON this forum I am an intermediate level programmer - good enough without being really top notch. I have periodically attempted to port CSS - without getting a working version. I have ported TMA and TMA True, and a couple of NB 10.2 indicators. I'm still working on a set of pivots that is adjustable to NY close. You'd think this would be comparatively easy, but it's not, because the dukascopy feed in java is structured in mostly useful ways, but you need to re-work it yourself if you want to do anything non-standard, like timeshift bars. As a result, writing multi-timeframe indicators is hard (lining up the outputs from different timeframes to display on the screen is tricky). I am still yet to finish a decent multi-timeframe indicator template that can be easily re-applied to a range of even basic indicators - e.g. MACD - because of the input/output, auto-bar-feed-alignment array functionality. The JForex indicator interface is essentially a template for transforming inputs to outputs (as it should be), but these restrictions make many obviously useful things hard to do. On the upside, feed formats such as range bar, renko and point and figure are built into the platform. Strategy (EA) writing in JForex is non trivial. It becomes exceptionally non-trivial if you want to do anything semi-complex. I recently rewrote a major multi-timeframe strategy from the standard bar inputs (where a 30M bar is received every thirty minutes, an hour bar every hour, and custom time periods like 2hr, received every two hours) to running against a primary timeframe (30M) in order to allow indicators from different timeframe charts to be recalculated every 30M instead of every bar on their on own timeframe. (if you don't understand why this was necessary, imagine trying to make trading decisions on the instruments state every 30M, but having to rely on 1hr and 2hr indicator reads that lag by from 30 to up to 90 minutes). My final solution was to construct and maintain my own instrument history for every bar, on every timeframe I needed and then apply my complex custom indicator calculations on these as arrays to get the current indicator value (Empty4 coders think iMAOnArray on multi-dimensional steroids). The good news is you do have the flexibility of Java so you can do these things. It's a pain, but pretty much anything can be done. The bad news is that the community using JForex is tiny compared to Empty4, and the support available from Dukascopy is not particularly good. Obvious bugs still exist in the trading client. Backtesting is built in (visual mode, or non-visual modes and the tick data quality is significantly better than Empty4, but there are variation between the live and demo version of the API - live is more stable but API version lags a little, and this can result in serious automated strategy coders wasting time running up paths that work in demo but don't work in live. You can check for this, but my advice would be to check early and check often.) To give you a size of community comparison, I've probably written around a hundred JForex indicators - and while I haven't published the vast majority of them back to the JForex community, I suspect I would be in the top ten twenty most prolific indicator coders. In summary - JForex with Dukascopy has some advantages - java, great broker, although limited instruments, solid ECN/STP Forex feed, not quite the interbank feed but probably as good as you'll get from a retail broker, the platform is probably not as bug free or stable as I would hope for, although this does seem to be improving, coding complex stuff is extremely difficult, but if can be done, and I'm sure there are better coders here than me who would make that happen faster than I can. The Empty4 code conversion tool is OK - but not for anything complex. T he bridge from Empty4 to Dukascopy does work, and is excellent. It's basically and EA (strategy in Jforex terms) that mirrors trades from the Empty4 log to the Dukascopy trading platform, and will allow you get a better price - which you will on Dukascopy. I've quickly looked at cTrader and I'd probably rate its platform as slicker, more stable and better than the JForex trading client, and it seems to have a bigger indicator base. Don't really know anything about the other two parts of the equation for cTrader though - broker options and quality and easy of extension/indicator writing and trading strategy automation.
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| Author: | ianj [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
You misunderstand the US govt approach - they don't want you to trade AT ALL ! And its clear that Metaquotes will not capitulate until FORCED and only competition can do that |
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| Author: | xrismak [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
Hey Matt, I am with You All the Way with this C-Trader Platform Thinghy, Screw Empty4, it's about time we Give em a Run for their Money and Shift to more Stable Platforms Happy Trading Y'all, xrismak. |
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| Author: | soulfire [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The purpose of this sub-forum |
I'm following the discussion and my interest lies in 3 options: 1. cTrader 2. Multicharts 3. Tradable All 3 seem to be primed for mass adoption by brokers and very positive interaction with traders and third party developers. cTrader has been discussed already so I won't discuss it although it may well be the most promising. I'm really surprised there isn't more discussion about Multicharts. It has been around a lot longer than ctrader, is already used at a bunch of brokers and has features that I would think many here would be very interested in such as: Genetic strategy optimization http://www.multicharts.com/genetic-stra ... ation-net/ Portfolio backtesting (test multiple strategies and currencies simultaneously) http://www.multicharts.com/portfolio-backtesting-net/ C# development: http://www.multicharts.com/strategy-development-net/ A HUGE community of third party add-ons: http://www.multicharts.com/multicharts/addons/ API available: http://www.multicharts.com/multicharts/sdk/ It seems like a top quality environment for strategy creation and testing. I know cost is an issue and whether the brokers would be able to offer it free for use to all clients is an open question I guess. |
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