Thanks, if it helps anyone else then:
I have for some time put Empty4.exe in C:\something else as even the older Empty4 seemed to be annoying each other when neighbours in the 'Programme Files', e.g. this one is C:\XM\terminal.exe
I have updated now to build 670 from Romsyam's .rar as there were a few things such as the filing of the indicators and 'custom indicators' with 646, the EA screen was showing 'label' instead of the text in a couple of places,
This is only a demo account
2015.02.14 15:23:54.045 LiveUpdate: download of 'metaeditor.exe' failed