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Author:  longytravel [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

Pgd,

The Green bar is as it should be:

-- if "ranging" H4 (OLIVE or GOLDENROD) --
H1 GREEN BAR : Bid is below MA15H1 & Sto722 below 20
H1 RED BAR : Bid is above MA15H1 & Sto722 above 80

We are ranging, we under 15MA on the 1 hour and we have just gone below 20.

Lets try a buy as Bob suggests when under the 15 and the Stoch could rise we are looking good for the retracement to be finishing and its a great place to get back in.
Author:  pgd [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

longytravel wrote:Pgd,

The Green bar is as it should be:

-- if "ranging" H4 (OLIVE or GOLDENROD) --
H1 GREEN BAR : Bid is below MA15H1 & Sto722 below 20
H1 RED BAR : Bid is above MA15H1 & Sto722 above 80

We are ranging, we under 15MA on the 1 hour and we have just gone below 20.

Lets try a buy as Bob suggests when under the 15 and the Stoch could rise we are looking good for the retracement to be finishing and its a great place to get back in.
longytravel,

i appreciate what you are saying.

however, i was attempting to follow through from bob's definition of olive/g'rod on h4 as "ranging -- can trade in either direction" in as much as the stack on the ma's on h1 gives a heads up on the choice of direction for the immediate trade thus resolving the ambiguous states that olive and goldenrod on h4 present.

I am re-attaching the earlier h1 chart to show what happened between then and now and how looking for a short in that situation would have been beneficial...
Author:  art [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

currency traders been suspended in London for fixing rates, i think trading might have been suspended at some banks not sure
Author:  tibochina [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

art, Where can we view this story?
Author:  fok [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:52 pm ]
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tibochina wrote:art, Where can we view this story?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24773173


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-2 ... clues.html
Author:  tibochina [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

Thanks, Tim
Author:  yamez [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:59 pm ]
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art wrote:currency traders been suspended in London for fixing rates, i think trading might have been suspended at some banks not sure
Disgraceful! This should be left to the reserve banks and their master string puller the Bank of International Settlements, :-)

This is not a conspiracy rant, people are amazed when I tell them how much sway the tiny country of Switzerland has on the international financial system. Open a D1 chart of EURCHF and look at most of 2012 to see how the price was pegged. Of course, this was done for "stability", maintain the old boys network, don't rock the boat, even though the boat is made of balsa.

At least us retail traders have fun.

End rant..
Author:  nanningbob [ Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

pgd wrote:
nanningbob wrote:
pgd wrote:hi bob,

kindly look at the gbpusd h1 chart posted below.

would you enter short:

[1] during candle marked 'A', the moment sto reads < 80 .... OR
[2] at close of candle marked 'A', when sto closes < 80 ...... OR
[3] during candle marked 'B', the moment sto reads < 80 .... OR
[4] at close of candle marked 'B', when sto closes < 80 ....... OR
[5] wait for ma15 (orange) to point downwards again and then take the next sto short trigger ?

thanks.
The break of a MA line or DO line would work. The signals are there so you enter the trade. It went about 70 pips off of last nights move.

#1 forget the close of the candle garbage. I never trade that way. When price decides to move you go with it, waiting for the top of the hour never made any sense to me.
#2 going with a break of a horizontal line (Daily/Weekly Open or xxx.000) or an angle line (trendline/MA) are always your best two options.

Yesterday playing the break of the DO or Trendline were your best two options to enter.
hi bob,

thanks for the reply.

by 'DO line', i assume you mean the Daily Open Line.
please confirm if that is correct.

i have re-attached the chart drawing the TL (a bit differently from yours) using the first 2 troughs in that incline (as would happen in realtime).

based on that, the following breaks are available:

candle
time
------
15:00 - TL break at 6052 (by ~ 2 pips)
19:00 - TL break at 6063 (by ~ 6 pips)
19:00 - ma15 break at 6060 (by ~ 3 pips)
20:00 - daily open line (magenta) break at 6045 (by ~ 48 pips)

a few questions arise:

[1] how would you make your choice looking at those events, as they happen ?
[2] how many pips beyond the line being broken do you place your entry order ?
[3] where would your s/l have been in the present case (we have the 1.6100 sweet spot about 40-60 pips above the listed break events) ?
Well, when you get a signal you place your trade and PRAY. There is no way you can predict where price is going to go. However, you try to put the odds on your side and hope for the best. Most of the time if you have a trade back into a trend it is going to work. BUT, it may do it right away, 8 hours from now, or even two days from now, maybe never. You just see the signal, look at the trade and say to yourself, "Self, this looks good and go with it." Price will:

1. go for your SL or
2. not go anywhere or
3. at some point go in your direction.

Any one of those places you mentioned would have been good enough if you waited long enough. Then again price could have ....................... but you know, that is trading.
Author:  pgd [ Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

nanningbob wrote:
pgd wrote:
nanningbob wrote:
pgd wrote:hi bob,

kindly look at the gbpusd h1 chart posted below.

would you enter short:

[1] during candle marked 'A', the moment sto reads < 80 .... OR
[2] at close of candle marked 'A', when sto closes < 80 ...... OR
[3] during candle marked 'B', the moment sto reads < 80 .... OR
[4] at close of candle marked 'B', when sto closes < 80 ....... OR
[5] wait for ma15 (orange) to point downwards again and then take the next sto short trigger ?

thanks.
The break of a MA line or DO line would work. The signals are there so you enter the trade. It went about 70 pips off of last nights move.

#1 forget the close of the candle garbage. I never trade that way. When price decides to move you go with it, waiting for the top of the hour never made any sense to me.
#2 going with a break of a horizontal line (Daily/Weekly Open or xxx.000) or an angle line (trendline/MA) are always your best two options.

Yesterday playing the break of the DO or Trendline were your best two options to enter.
hi bob,

thanks for the reply.

by 'DO line', i assume you mean the Daily Open Line.
please confirm if that is correct.

i have re-attached the chart drawing the TL (a bit differently from yours) using the first 2 troughs in that incline (as would happen in realtime).

based on that, the following breaks are available:

candle
time
------
15:00 - TL break at 6052 (by ~ 2 pips)
19:00 - TL break at 6063 (by ~ 6 pips)
19:00 - ma15 break at 6060 (by ~ 3 pips)
20:00 - daily open line (magenta) break at 6045 (by ~ 48 pips)

a few questions arise:

[1] how would you make your choice looking at those events, as they happen ?
[2] how many pips beyond the line being broken do you place your entry order ?
[3] where would your s/l have been in the present case (we have the 1.6100 sweet spot about 40-60 pips above the listed break events) ?
Well, when you get a signal you place your trade and PRAY. There is no way you can predict where price is going to go. However, you try to put the odds on your side and hope for the best. Most of the time if you have a trade back into a trend it is going to work. BUT, it may do it right away, 8 hours from now, or even two days from now, maybe never. You just see the signal, look at the trade and say to yourself, "Self, this looks good and go with it." Price will:

1. go for your SL or
2. not go anywhere or
3. at some point go in your direction.

Any one of those places you mentioned would have been good enough if you waited long enough. Then again price could have ....................... but you know, that is trading.
thanks, bob.

that answers my Q. [1].

kindly also answer Q's [2] and [3] reproduced below for your convenience:

[2] how many pips beyond the line being broken do you place your entry order ?
[3] where would your s/l have been in the present case (we have the 1.6100 sweet spot about 40-60 pips above the listed break events) ?
Author:  pgd [ Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 10.4 A Complete System

hi bob,

kindly respond to my post on page 733, addressed to elexi and yourself down the middle of the page.
immediately following that post there was a response by longytravel and my reply to that.

I would appreciate your response.

thanks.
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