Multi 10:4 Trader EA

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glabbeek wrote:I agree that all those filters seem to be needed when you look at the short term action in the currency market. The downside is that you will limit your profitability.

The last few days, due to the action in the JPY, a lot of people thought there was a need to limit the maximum number of pairs containing the same currency. Yesterday and today the winnings are coming out of the JPY. If you would have limited the amount of pairs trading JPY at the same time, you would have missed a lot of profits.

Not trading on high impact news works the same. Most of the time these news comments are in line with the trend and you make a nice profit. Two weeks ago the news was countertrend and we lost some.

Filters can work, but you will cut your winnings.

I think the EA that Andy and co. produced doesn't need any more filters at the moment. Look for the long run.
Willem

I don't disagree with your comments, but we know this EA is profitable and I'm sure Andy's innovative idea to link two EA's will solve the drawdown issue, but what i was trying to address is that people have been reporting issues with drawdown or getting taken out by stoplosses.

The biggest error most retail traders make is to keep moving a stoploss when a trade moves against them due to news that is designed to do just that...take out your stop loss. Its always that argument of cut a trade early and let your profits run, and i'm sure most traders do the opposite. I use Wyckoff principles, and its very easy to see this footprint day after day..

If you have a trade thats 100pips in profit and you know that a major announcement is coming form a central bank then you would take your profit, as you're risking 100pips vs a possible XXX pips (upside vs downside risk) more if the news goes in your favour...I personally do not use this kind of strategy as part of my 'trading plan' when trading live. You can also argue that the news is a 50/50 risk as like you say if the news goes in your favour you make more pips, but you have to be happy with the drawdown / stops hit if the news is against your open position.

The point i'm trying to make is if you can avoid drawdown, turning a winning trade into a losing trade and possible getting back in at a lower or higher price that is something that might be worth consider..

Anyway just my thoughts as i like to think as a news filter as being beneficial if used to work in your favour...and having the ability to turn a feature on/off allows the user to decide what kind or risk they want to adopt...that's the great thing about EA's :)

I'm sure you will agree that there's nothing worse than sitting in-front of your screen watching red pips in your live account!

Jason
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theforexedge wrote:Andy

Would it be difficult to add in a News Module to 10.4?

With the current global situation I find both High Impact News & Central Bank Speaks are causing wild gyrations that can take the currency pairs out of trend for a few days, causing drawdown and hitting stop losses, so having the ability to avoid trading at these times might be another option worth trying....

Whilst i'm not a coder Slipshod has been helping me in my endeavours and I can post the code if you think its worth adding..

My preferred way of using the News (FFCal) is:

1. Only use High Impact & Speaks
2. Avoid trades xxx hours before and xxx hours after (if news goes against the trend this allows you to get back in at lower prices)
3. Option to take profit xx hours before the news for currency pairs.

Additional ideas:

1. Close all profit before weekend
2. Don't trade NFP

I'm sure this subject will prompt some debate, but i think of using the news to get into / back into a trade at lower prices...as a rule I never 'Trade The News' as its a great way of emptying your trading account, although it can be done profitably using Volume Spread Analysis, to look for UpThrusts etc.

BTW - 10.4 2.01b is running with no problems, and up 8% already!!

Jason
Hi Jason,

We could add a news filter later, I just want to get the EA running with no bugs.

The only thing I won't do and that's change the entry strategy, I read somewhere that Bobs dumped
the AO, but using it is profitable so I'm keeping it.


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Andy
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Re: Multi 10:4 Trader EA

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Andy

I agree with you...I'm sure there will be time to refine any rough edges in the future, if they still exist.

I think your 2 x EA route is a great idea..

Jason
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theforexedge wrote:Andy

I agree with you...I'm sure there will be time to refine any rough edges in the future, if they still exist.

I think your 2 x EA route is a great idea..

Jason
I opened a 25K demo on Wednesday night, and it is now 28555K, using that method.
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Andy...

That's good to hear.. :D

Actually 2.01has done 10% since its release, on my demo account, and i've not had any issues with CPU usage that some have reported.

Jason
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theforexedge wrote:Andy...

That's good the hear..

Actually 2.01has done 10% since its release, on a demo account, and i've not had any issues with CPU usage that some have reported.

Jason
10% excellent, you just need to trade the EA and not wait for big pay day's, that never arrive.

The CPU thing, I never get a problem either.

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MrLong wrote:
theforexedge wrote:Andy...

That's good the hear..

Actually 2.01has done 10% since its release, on a demo account, and i've not had any issues with CPU usage that some have reported.

Jason
10% excellent, you just need to trade the EA and not wait for big pay day's, that never arrive.

The CPU thing, I never get a problem either.

Andy

Andy..

Yes, you're right on that one..I think one thing that we don sometimes is judge a strategy / profitability after a few days, where sometimes a strategy can go through periods of stagnation, drawdown etc.

I've been reading quite a few books recently about investing strategies for bot forex & stocks, but this one is a good read if not already been read..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Evaluation-Opti ... 298&sr=1-1

Jason
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Re: Multi 10:4 Trader EA

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MrLong wrote: Haha,

I've got two terminals communicating now, one reads the others drawdown, when its - 5.00, it lets the trades roll, two part EA.
Wow! Hope I can see how you did it before the weekend! :mrgreen:

I'm afraid I'll have to buy a new test machine ... my old single core 1.5 GB RAM possibly won't do ... :shock:

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Running 2.01b stock-standard apart from the cpu-usages fixes on a few demos. Still haven't had any of the bounce-backs that people are talking about. The JPY pairs surging today has helped, but not nearly enough to make up for the damage on Monday...

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Makes me feel like I'm missing the party somehow :) Oh I forgot - that demo now has the AO fixes I posted back on page 60something, others don't. The bad trades were entered without that fix in place, don't know if it would have prevented them though.
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Re: Multi 10:4 Trader EA

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They've closed now, except for a lagging GBPJPY. The result is what you see in the image above, hardly worth writing home about. I'm only mentioning it so that people who didn't experience the shock DD don't assume its all wine & roses with the EA and do something silly like trading it on a large live account. Its not ready for that just yet.
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