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Hey members and visitors.

Over the coming weeks, I am about to put forward ideas on a trading philosophy and associated strategy.

I will be doing this for four reasons :

1) To develop my own thinking and growth as a trader in a group of peers.
2) To invite constructive criticism re the philosophy and strategy with the aim of improving both
3) To provide others with a trading methodology that they can use, improve and recirculate.
4) To provide small easily understood bite sized installments that can be discussed rather than one long document.

Appreciation

This trading philosopy and strategy is a composite of principles, thoughts, ideas and concepts I have picked up along the way as a keen student and active (if not profitable :o) Forex trader.

Therefore, even before I set off rambling, allow me to give thanks to the teachings and ideas of many, many very cool 8-) observers of currency markets and traders on this great site.

I will not mention any by name because to do so will involve a roll call in which I will inevitably miss out a few and that is not right. Suffice it to say thanks to all the traders, coders and other contributors of ideas who make up this great community.

Apologies

I would like to offer my apologies to people here who have written me over the past several months to whom I have not responded.

A while back I presented a trading method based on Nanning Bobs HGI. That method continues to generate a level of interest and dare I say profit. However, once understood that method particularly on the higher time frames almost runs itself. There is nothing new to add !

Subsequently, a coder of the highest ability, namely Rene very generously coded an indicator for me which evolved into an EA called PoM. This is when, I must confess, it kind of fell apart for me !

I just couldn’t get PoM to trade profitably AND consistently.

Although I am one of life’s eternal optimists, in the end I got somewhat dejected and retreated to review my approach to the markets in general and profitable, consistent trading in particular.

My aim was to do better next time with a specific and very concrete objective to earn a living from trading by making money.

In any event, I have neglected questions and comments, particularly about PoM, which I believe in the pantheon of Forex indicators is still unique with important uses as yet undiscovered and unappreciated !!

For this neglect I apologise !

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes

Being a composite methodology, there are aspects you will identify having perhaps used them before in your own trading. You may indeed have put something like this together yourself, in which case your views are of utmost importance here !

As the methodology is revealed over the next few days and weeks please read with an open mind because once all the parts are put together it may make more sense as a whole rather than as individual parts.

Objective

This method has one overriding aim – To earn its user a living, trading Forex by making money !

Simple as a concept yet admittedly ambitious as a practical proposition ! - You gotta dream big guys !!

Let this objective alone be the judge of the question “Does it work ?”

Right lets get going:

Preamble

This philosophy and strategy is known as Gravy Trains & Weather Vanes. Why so will become clearer in due course.

Context and Pre-requisites

1. This method is based on Price Action alone (although it uses 2 EMA’s for initial trade entry and support resistance levels for continuation entries.)

2. This method is manual (although it cannot run without Steve Hopwoods MPTM – I use the original version) EDIT 22/8/17 - Now runs with a custom EA called GTWV EA - read on for more

3. Very Important. This method requires the trader will actively monitor and manage trades when they are live. This is key for any readers. Do not even think of using this method if setting trades off and then going to the beach for the day is your idea of trading. This method is meant to earn a trader a living. There is no job I know of where you can earn a living by being on vacation most of the time !!! EDIT 22/8/17 - This was true when fully manual. However, GTWV EA has alleviated this to some extent - read on for more

4. This method was developed using a micro account (<500 USD) on a spread broker account with 1:500 leverage. It can however be modified to trade other environments and configurations once the principles are learnt and applied.

5. Apart from the initial trade, this method relies entirely and only on price to tell the trader when to make the next entry ! No indicators, no guesswork !

6. This method has been tested on the M15 TF but the principles are transferable and can be used on higher TF’s because of point 5 above – which I will come back to time and time again

To close this initial post let me clarify what I mean by earning a living from Forex trading.

Living and trading in Kenya on a micro account (< 500 USD), I have a goal to earn 20 USD per day, 5 days a week.

I am looking to return 4% on my initial account per day. This is modest, attainable and in the economic context of Kenya generates a living income.

The math is as follows:

$20 x 20 days = 400 USD per month.
400 USD x 10 Months = 4000 USD per annum (I only work 10 months each year)

4000 USD per annum as at the time of writing is equivalent to just over 400,000 Kenya Shillings per annum or 33,000 Kshs per month.

The average salary in Kenya is below 10,000 Kshs per month !

Clearly, working at a modest level, on a small account without taking huge risk, 20 USD per day delivers an income that affords a higher standard of living than the average Kenyan !

If you live and trade in an economy where 20 USD per day is insufficient for your requirements the method and income can be scaled by :

1) Working longer hours and trading more
2) Increasing the size of your initial account
3) Taking greater risk

We will discuss these and other aspects as this thread develops.

I aim to post weekly - Keep watching.
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Post by xrismak »

Risklesspips,

Habari gani,

M15 Chart, makes Sense and Can we use at least one or 2 Indicators of our choice, if So then I am in and very Interested this.


Asante sana.
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Welcome back Charles, :hi:

Excellent introduction. Following with keen interest.

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Subscribed :)
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I’ve heard it said that 95% of all aspiring Forex traders fail !

Think about this for a minute. Out of 10 traders, 9.5 will fail. The 0.5 trader who succeeds is indeed a rare breed.

Questions:

What is failure in Forex trading ?
Why is the failure rate so high ?

Here are my thoughts. Please share yours and critique mine if you are so inclined.

What is failure if Forex trading ?

Forex trading, to the uninitiated is some exotic, glamorous, fast paced, exciting – you get the idea – occupation.

Well, we know the difference don’t we?

It is anything but those things. It can be boring, mind numbing, slow and sometimes it is like watching paint dry on a cold winter morning in a house without windows somewhere in the middle of Yorkshire.

I believe many aspiring traders come into Forex because they believe it (can) will make them money. Some actually think they may become rich. The reality is very different. As the joke goes “What’s the quickest way to become a millionaire in Forex ? Start by being a billionaire ! :) :)

Failure, in my book, is therefore the inability of most retail traders to make money in sufficient volume to justify working in the occupation.

Why is the failure rate so high ?

This is more difficult to understand. If it was easy perhaps a method would have been developed to coach traders, reduce the failure rate and make money for the coach into the bargain!

I started working in IT in the back offices of investment banks in London in the late 1980’s – yes I’m that old. Over time I came to know and support many traders of different commodities including Forex.

On reflection I think most of those traders had a different mindset to other people including myself. This has actually been documented in the literature and it makes interesting reading – just Google “Forex trading mindeset” to read the books and see what I mean.

That they were different thinkers should come as no surprise, but what I now understand better is they were also ultra hard realists.

I am now of the mind a person cannot become a successful, money making trader without being a hard nosed, bad a** realist.

People come to trading and learn their trade (pun intended) from one of two major schools.

Some are taught to believe in an ideal environment where price moves in some predictable fashion that can be deduced from looking at past performance. These are technical analysts (and I admit I am one).

Others are taught to anticipate the future by looking at the entrails of fundamental analysis.

Many college graduates will readily acknowledge the theory of their craft and practice of the same are not necessarily identical. However, learning the theory allows one to make informed decisions when engaged in the practice.

And so it is in Forex.

Our 0.5 trader who succeeds, understands and accepts this basic premise – In order to break the rules successfully, you must know what the rules are in the first place.

Understanding the technical details of Forex (Pips, leverage, margin calls, support and resistance etc) is the theory aspect. Most people get these components down to a T with enough time.

The fall out happens where the theory meets prices in the market – where the rubber meets the road so to speak.

Practical, day to day money making trading is a “get into the trenches, take or be taken” environment.

Price doesn’t know let alone care at all about you, me or the other guy. The other participants in the marketplace will take the shirt off your back and then invite you for an after work drink (which you will have to pay for.)

The uninitiated view of Forex described earlier, blinds many to the harsh reality of what it really takes to make money in this industry as a practical proposition.

In summary to answer the question “Why is the failure rate in Forex trading so high?” I posit that the wide gulf between the intellectual understanding of Forex theory and practical implementation of money making strategies is the root cause of the failures.

So what am I saying to you today ?

1) Most people will not make a living from trading Forex
2) The main reason is they have not made the leap from their intellectual understanding of Forex to grasping the trench warfare required to make money consistently.

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes is a manual yet highly mechanical (repeatable) method based on price alone. There is not a lot of interpretation required – it just follows price up and down.

Next post will look a little more at price before we start looking at the nuts and bolts of the strategy.
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Sub'd :)
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Truly enjoyed reading the introductory posts.
Following closely.
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Looking foreward to the great way to make money ... :cheer:
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One final, yet important, post before we get to the nuts and bolts of Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes. (GT&WV)

Prices.

Any Forex newbie (and some oldies) will tell you they understand prices in the currency markets. After all, what is difficult about understanding that for a given currency pair, the price denotes the value relationship between the base and quote currency?

Leading up to development of the ideas in GT&WV, here is my take on price, for any given currency pair.

1) I don’t understand the road map for any individual price.
2) I don’t know what price is about to do at ANY point in the future.
3) Price is a continuously adjusted movement of value. Trading such movement will involve regular misreading of the adjustments.
40 I don’t know anyone who knows anything about these matters about price with certainty.

These realizations are the beginnings of becoming an ultra realist.

Let us look at each of these knowledge deficits in turn and see how they impact practical trading. I will also indicate why Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes is designed to overcome these deficits.

Price Drivers and Road Maps.

A road map tells you how to get from where you are to where you are going.

Implicit in this, is you must know where you are to start with and you must also know where you want to go to.

We all know where prices are at any given moment – these are the prices quoted by the market.

However, whilst we may very well want the USD to rise (knowing where we want it to go), that does not at all mean it will do so!!

This is a classic problem for non realists in trading. They get vested in a particular direction for the currency pair they are trading. They "know" where price is going !

Ultra realists accept they do not know where the price is going and moreover they do not care ! All they want is to be on the right side of the move whichever direction it takes.

Conceptually, currency pair prices are moved by so called PESTLE (Politics, Economics, Social, Technology, Legal, Environmental) drivers. No great revelation there.

However, knowing about these drivers and reading their entrails as fundamental analysts do, does not in the slightest mean anyone knows the long term road map for the currency.

An economist, J Galbraith said - "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable." He could have added the same for any Forex price direction and level forecasting !!

Ultra realists understand that no one knows these answers – period ! Not knowing the answers means you need to develop other skills to trade and make money consistently .

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes couldn’t care less about the drivers or road maps of currency prices. This methodology is given direction and destination by the ultimate decision maker – price itself.

What will price do in the future ?

Short answer – Nobody knows
. At best you have opinions but as they say opinions are like (noses). Everybody has one. (Actually they don’t say noses – use your imagination !)

Whether or not you agree that trading is a zero sum game (there are proponents for and against this statement) the fact that at one point in time one trader places a long trade and another places a short trade, indicates at the very least, the difference in market opinions about what price is about to do !

Price is an amalgamation of disparate and demonstrably unpredictable stakeholder positions in the currency market and in the real world economy. Ultra realism requires the trader to accept this environment and understand that they cannot PREDICT future price action (momentum, direction, level) with any degree of certainty for any length of time.

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes does not try to predict future price action. This methodology only takes trades once given overt approval by price itself.

Price is continuously adjusting. Misreads will happen.

Price is an amalgamation of huge and variable positions held in the real world by different parties.

Even if price demonstrates and “shows” the trader a particular entry and direction it will still on occasion reverse due to the unpredictable actions of the parties who determine that price.

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes is NOT infallible. It does get hit by reversing positions. However, being an ultra realist you will understand a warning given on this site by Steve Hopwood many, many times. You will have losing trades, you will have losing weeks and these can be frequent enough to make you think the World is against you !

However, although this methodology does take hits, the setup which we will begin to discuss in the next post, mitigates the losses if the trader manages their trades correctly, actively and vigorously.

Does anyone out there know the answers to these questions?

I am yet to see, hear of or meet anyone who can “tie price down.”

If they could their indicators, EA’s and scripts would be banned for making too much money :D – they would be the modern day equivalents of alchemists turning dust into gold. (or Bitcoin)

I now prefer a manual, “naked chart” approach with a recognition that some (very few) indicators may introduce candle light where total darkness sometimes prevails.

Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes does not rely on any indicators other than 2 EMA’s for initial trade entry.

It does not rely on any EA other than Steve Hopwood’s brilliant MPTM. This is because the method can add many trades and these demand a tool to assist with trade management. EDIT 22/8/17 - Now runs with a custom EA called GTWV EA - read on for more

Can the method be automated ? - I have reservations because although price dictates entry, there is intelligence I have yet to see in Empty4 for managing positions. EDIT 22/8/17 - Now partially automated but still requires intelligent interaction and active engagement from the trader - read on for more

Due to price giving entry signals at short notice and for different pairs the method uses scripts for trade entry. These are not entirely essential, merely convenient.

Now that the philosophy has been laid out, next post will begin the mechanics and operation of the Gravy Trains and Weather Vanes strategy.

As usual I welcome thoughts, views, opinions, comments and questions.
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Post by andwen »

Brilliant commentary RP. :youknow:

Very much like Mark Douglas and his view of the market. No one knows where price is going, in fact it doesnt matter,all you need is an edge. On the balance of probabilities if you trade that edge consistently you will WIN.

I don't trade the market any other way. We would all like price to go a particular way but I personally dont care.

Try to think of it in terms of "i would like price to go this way", rather than " I know where price is going"

Looking forward to the next installment.

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