Holy Graily Bob

ariel · Post by **ariel** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:15 am

My result in this month:
profit 9%
downdraw 12%

Post by **wolfeman** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:48 pm

Woke up to +1000 pips this morning (PST) Started thinking about closing... I did so before it dropped to 900. Woohoo, take the money and run! It is a Monday after all.

Now everyone else will continue to climb, of course! It's shaping up to be a good week so far. I'll wait till Tuesday to fire it up again

Post by **SteveHopwood** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:28 pm

wolfeman » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:48 pm wrote:Woke up to +1000 pips this morning (PST) Started thinking about closing... I did so before it dropped to 900. Woohoo, take the money and run! It is a Monday after all.

Now everyone else will continue to climb, of course! It's shaping up to be a good week so far. I'll wait till Tuesday to fire it up again

Always good to take the pips and run.

I started two demos this time last week, both $500, one for HGB and one for PPoS. PPoS sailed serenely through ignoring everything that failed to move in its direction. HGB was down to $396 at one point - imagine meeting that as a noob.

The HGB account has slowly recovered and trades today took the balance up to $512 from a start of about $470. I close the lot, shut the platform and will reload tomorrow.

When HGB is making those pips, grab them and head for the hills.

qvintus · Post by **qvintus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:14 pm

Here is my weekly results on my two demos.
Trading 28 pairs. D1 and H4.

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ariel · Post by **ariel** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:52 pm

This month, in real account.

I dont use stop loss

AGT · Post by **AGT** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:40 pm

ariel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:52 pm wrote:This month, in real account. I dont use stop loss

.... and that will kill your account sooner or later, by a long shot :youknow:

Post by **renexxxx** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:03 pm

My (week 3) results for trading HGB (2nd edition) OOTB on the majors + GJ:

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It was a bit of a dull week for HGB: it doesn't like it when the markets keep on changing their minds. Still the overall results for three weeks are very good:

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This is totally hands-off-feet-up.

ariel · Post by **ariel** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:52 pm

AGT » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:10 pm wrote:
ariel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:52 pm wrote:This month, in real account. I dont use stop loss
.... and that will kill your account sooner or later, by a long shot :youknow:

I think this a perfect way to manager SL, Bob tell this:

3 years ago, I got hammered here at FF for teaching some of these things. I decided to spend more of my time at another forum. Since then I have had many PMs and Emails thanking me for publicly sharing such thoughts as others had been trading similar styles. Since then many traders have come out now and wont put up with the garbage posted by a small but very vocal group of trading with a fraction of a penny SL. Decades ago I used to work for Disney world and they had a program where you bought their stock every week using a percentage of your income. It was based on the simple fact that you believed over a period of time the stock would go up. No one was putting in SL or going for fractions of penny profits. You just bought in small increments and eventually you were on the winning side. Some entrances going profitable sooner than others. The key was to just keep buying into the trend.

Forex is different in that there is no such thing as a currency going up forever or going down forever. What it does is range between two points as business takes place. If you study the monthly charts and go back 20-40 years you can see that price stays with a certain range with a couple of exceptions. For example the eur/usd for the last 15 years has stayed between 1.25 and 1.50 with the exception of a handful of months in 2008. It stays in a range. Knowing this you trade that range. Going up with it until it gets above 1.40-1.50 and go down with until it goes below 1.25-1.30. You play those ups and downs inside that range and you can be a very successful trader. In the last 7 years there have been 11 major trend changes in the euro. All you have to do is follow those long term trends. I actually take more SL than I need too and that is mainly because I have a tendency to overtrade playing with smaller lots and I have to close some out if my total trades to account size starts getting to big. When you have 20-40 trades going at all times every day I can take a profit, several times a day. Occasionally when I see the trend direction has changed on a currency I close out and start the other way.

They snickered and laughed and mocked but every month my account grows and after several years of trading I have taken back my original investment out a long time ago and have been playing with house money. No more beating myself up about my entrances and exits, no worrying about leaving the computer on all night or going out. No more worrying about news stories or avoiding news events. When I travel and fly overseas back and forth from Asia to the USA and back I dont have to close out my trades and restart. I land get a good nights sleep and check my computer. AHHHHH look at all those trades that went into profit. One time there wasnt any and I set my next set of trades as I caught all the reversals back to the median. Day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out: over and over and over my DD is statice between 0-10% occasionally going to 20% (thats when I cant believe a currency is changing direction and get stubborn, usually the CHF) but at 20% I take that 3-7% loss and continue on.

The only thing that matters is my account balance keeps growing and occasionally I have to use my profits to close out some negative trades. DD is static day after day, month after month, year after year but the account balance grows. It is like interest every month being applied to your account. 5-10% every month. 5% a month over 3.5 years equals 7X your original account balance. If you dont understand compound interest and how it grows money over time you wont understand this. If you do and can understand that trading ten or twenty cent trades on 10K of account can constantly accumulate an a account to grow to 70K in 3.5 years then trading seventy cent to one dollar and half per lot and build to 490K in 7 years, etc. You then begin to understand that a frozen or fixed DD in the 5-15% doesnt bother us you can then begin to grasp how we trade. We may not use the same trading methods and you can be like ..................... and argue to your blue in the face that you can trade the same way using single trades (you really cant, it wont work using SL). The reason it is so difficult to trade with tight SL is when you close the loss you face the same problem. It is like negative interest, instead of a floating loss that never accumulates you are accumulating losses that act just like interest in reverse on your account and it slowly or quickly drains it away. (Depending on lot size to account size)

The bottom line is I went to bed at the beginning of the USA session on Friday and wont touch my account until Monday. I had nothing to worry about. No matter what price did I will be able to trade again on Monday.

I trade in a way that allows me to trade again the next day. I trade in a way that allows me to sleep all night, take multiple day trips away from my computer, watch a movie on TV when NFP happens every month. Yes that is what I do every NFP. I set my trades for the night about 15M before the market open and watch a movie. Come back in 2 hours and see what happened.

Occasionally when I am convinced a currency has changed directions then I close out and start looking for my best trades the other way. When you finally get really really really frustrated with trading. Go to a monthly chart, find your direction, go to a daily, 4H, or 1H chart and trade in that direction. Then put a 1000 dollars in a account and trade 1 penny lots. When price goes against you 100 pips and its 1 dollar in the hole you go thats nothing. When it goes 1000 pips in the hole and its 10 dollars down you wonder what everyone at FF is getting all excited about. However, since you followed the long term trend you start getting 200 pips here on one currency during a week, and 300 on another and 150 on another and you enter into a trend with mutliple positions and instead of getting 200 you learn how to get 3,4,500 pips on one currency in a week and some SL nut is screaming but you are down 200 pips on some currency but you pocketed 500,1000, 2000, pips on others. You go SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ...................

There are people beginning to understand this about Forex trading. They see that you play the ranges, the long term trends, you trade small lots and in 3 years you are trading ten to twenty cent lots and you now have 7000 in your account and the same bozos are still arguing with you that you are not a trader and you dont know what you are doing and ............................ meanwhile the brokers cant margin you out, SL you out, spike you out, increase your spread and force you out of the market, and they are on the hook for your profit at some point. They hate us because the only profit they will get out of me is the pip spread. You wonder why bluesteele, nubby boy, (I would never put Hanover in this group) come here and spill their vile language all over the screen making sure you dont follow this small group of profitable traders that get it. Some day at some point you will understand the guys who trade with million dollar accounts trade small lots to account size, low leverage, use multiple entrances, follow long term trends, and never trade in a way that puts their account balance at risk. I finally learned those lessons and 3-4 more years of this and I retire. Have a good day.

Post by **SteveHopwood** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:03 pm

I repeat here something I just posted in the PPoS thread. HGB and PPoS are the same in that success using them depends on lots of tiny lot size trades. The 2% risk per trade guys will be blown out of the water sooner or later - and probably sooner.

It is entirely up to guys here whether you take any notice of me of not.

dudest · Post by **dudest** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:50 am

ariel » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:42 am wrote:
AGT » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:19 pm wrote:
ariel » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:41 pm wrote:.......... Maybe if i dont use stop loss, the result change!!.......
.... yep, it will change ! You'll loose your shirt ...
With small lot, maybe

If I may comment on this. Trading without an SL is very practical & doable. It's all down to one's *view* of the workings of the(se rigged) markets, and the actions underlying those workings. There's nothing to stop one from cutting their own losses when it's obvious they are wrong.

I've seen two great traders doing it: Nanningbob (Bob) and Captain Jack (John Saffron). (I happen to be a disciple of the latter).

Both have a great view of price and the human behaviour coupled with it. And their trade management reflects this. Their view differs greatly from what traditional money+trade management say (ever wondered who came up with those?)

Nanningbob does it with small lots + multiple entries according to the mantra: "live to trade another day". Bob lets compounded gains work for him and is the best guy I know thus far that uses indicators purely as tools (and not as decision-making 'brains').

Captain Jack does it with large lots + stacked entries according to the mantra: "the idea is to make money". CJ lets stacked gains work for him and is the best guy I know thus far that reads the actions of market makers off a naked chart and utilizes it to deadly effect

2 different ways of going about it. Both contrary to the traditional risk view. But the bottom line? They are both making money week on week

Captain Jack » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:59 am wrote:
...Once you realize that every indicator is controlled by price action and that price is not random, but piloted, then you will also realize that those who control price also control every indicator in use today...

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Normal accepted forms of money management are part of the problem as well. You are taught to trade based on risk, which is an expectation of loss. What you are really doing is trading a small lot size, with a large SL. The larger or safer the SL, the smaller the gain when you are right. They will allow many small wins, knowing that when they lock you into a poor trade, human nature and greed will prevent most people from taking a small loss, leading to busted accounts and major losses. All because the trade was based on indicators and money management rules that they create and teach. Peoples greed keep them locked in, they know this worked before, many times, so they double up or triple up because their indicators say price should be going the other way.....

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The best investment you can make is in chart time............. Over time, you will develop a feel for the market. It's when that primal sixth sense kicks in, the one that makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck, the one that gives you the feeling that you are being watched. It's there and you will feel it. Your confidence and conviction in your trades will increase 10 fold or more. You will take a small loss because you know you are wrong and you also know the next trade is just minutes away. It's uncanny at times. When in doubt, trust your gut feel. It's usually right.

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CJ