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But I did tell them to trade JPY, USD and AUD early this week. 10.4 and 10.4 info page said so. I did say M-W look for quick profits or trade line to line until they get a hang of it. I showed the info page showing the lines were all bunched up so price would be ranging. I tell them take your profit halfway through a session so they dont have the BE hit all the time. It is not that I am not following my own rules. Yes there are some extra trades in there but they were not mentioned; they shouldnt be losing like this. The AUD and USD have not hit the 240 line. The JPY has on some currencies that did but they were close so the loss should not have been big. The cad/jpy, nzd/jpy and gbp/jpy have both had nice bounces off of the 240 line for buys and the eur/jpy bounced down nicely before bouncing up over the line. I didnt catch all of them but I did some. I show pics of setups the last two days. I mean what more can I do Steve???
Consider something I posted earlier here....The trader is responsible for his trade, from the beginning to the end. Period.

Traders from the novice to the experienced need to understand that there is no A+B=C system out there, that will do what most "hope" they will. By that I mean, when event "A" happens, and you place your order "B", "C" does not mean "profit". It means "possibility" of profit. It can also mean BE or loss. The market preys on those very strict "rules'. It relies on traders to follow "strict" rules, as the market operates outside those rules. It's no different than the outlaw in a society bound by laws and rules.

The market does not move in a linear fashion. The market is dynamic and the traders response needs to be dynamic and not static. The trader MUST take responsibility for his trade once placed, and react in a dynamic way to the market. The trader must be able to recognize what the market is offering at any given time, because market conditions change. If the trader does not adapt to these changes, it is the traders fault if a trade in profit reverts to loss, not the markets. It doesn't matter what "rules" or guidelines you follow, the market does not play by those rules.

10.4 is a nice system that will grind out profits for you when you follow the basic guidelines of the system. It is still up to the trader, to adapt the basic system to his or her trading style and knowledge. To say, "My order was triggered here, and the market turned and took it" is irresponsible of the trader, who blames the market and the system. The SL protects your capital from large loss. That's what it's designed to do. The system worked. It is even worse when a trader says, "My order was 2 levels in profit and then the market turned and took me out at BE". The trader ALLOWED the market to take his profit back because he was greedy, seeing 2 levels of profit and wanting 4. What was your target or did you even have a profit target?

It is the traders responsibility to take his profit. You need to learn to see what the market is offering you, take it and move to the next trade. There is always another one! That is unless you, the trader, have allowed the market to drain the capital from your account.

Nobody can give you a plan to follow, in a 1-2-3 manner, that is going to make you profitable. Your success depends on YOU. Neither Bob, nor myself, Steve, Jeremy or any of the other countless numbers here can do that for you. Only you can, and only when you start to take responsibility for your own trades. If you can't do this, then take your money to the casinos as you stand a better chance of making some money, than you do in a market that is designed and manipulated against you. At least the gaming houses are regulated and must provide certain, given odds for their games.

What more can you do Bob? There is nothing more you need or are required to do. You have provided a good system, based on sound principles for the masses. It is up to them to take responsibility to learn the market as well as trading it.

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But I did tell them to trade JPY, USD and AUD early this week. 10.4 and 10.4 info page said so. I did say M-W look for quick profits or trade line to line until they get a hang of it. I showed the info page showing the lines were all bunched up so price would be ranging. I tell them take your profit halfway through a session so they dont have the BE hit all the time. It is not that I am not following my own rules. Yes there are some extra trades in there but they were not mentioned; they shouldnt be losing like this. The AUD and USD have not hit the 240 line. The JPY has on some currencies that did but they were close so the loss should not have been big. The cad/jpy, nzd/jpy and gbp/jpy have both had nice bounces off of the 240 line for buys and the eur/jpy bounced down nicely before bouncing up over the line. I didnt catch all of them but I did some. I show pics of setups the last two days. I mean what more can I do Steve???
Hi Bob,

If I might interject, I don't believe Steve is asking more of you, he's just recognizing that even though you follow your own methodology successfully, most beginners will try to use your framework as a rigid system, and some of them will fail. A beginner will certainly not be able to emulate your own experience.

Frankly, your 10.4 methodology is more then enough to be profitable, and you are very generous to share it with others, as well as give so much of your time explaining and detailing all your trades. At the end of the day though, every trader needs to do his homework, try it out on his own and master himself. Remember the horse to water, you may try to help traders become successul, but you cannot do it *for* them.

All the best,
Words to live by....

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Words to live by....

CJ[/quote]

I see you are from West Virginia. The assistant governor of our province parents live in West Virginia so he visits there often. I will tell him to say Hi if I find out he is going for a visit.
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Looks like JPY could be breaking to the downside, breaking away from the pack. AUD looks like it is finishing its run. What could rise?
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I look at the Slope indi and then notice the story that goes with it.

Japan posts longest run of trade deficits in three decades

How do you increase exports to get rid of trade deficits. Make your products cheaper.
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The_Snowman wrote:
nanningbob wrote:OK today looks like Euro day with lots of euro set ups. here is my eur/cad set up. Sell at break of WP and WMR1 and also I set one at the DP line. So 3 entrances for a rally in the DT coming up.
Big difference in brokers, anyone else notice this much difference in the Weekly Pivot?

This is AxiTrader Australia, way below, no chance to SELL the WP as Bob has set his pending.

:?: :?: :?:
I think it is a difference in GMT, your candles open close at different time them mine. Although that does not necessarily explain the weekly pivots? Hmm I'm not sure?
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nanningbob wrote:
Words to live by....

CJ[/quote]

I see you are from West Virginia. The assistant governor of our province parents live in West Virginia so he visits there often. I will tell him to say Hi if I find out he is going for a visit.[/quote]

It is indeed a small world. My hometown is Morgantown, WV and we have a Friendship City, in China:

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In 2012, the City of Morgantown established Friendship City relations with Xuzhou, Quanshan District, in China’s Jiangsu Province. The city is in east central China, about 400 miles south of Beijing; the district has a population of about 550,000. Coal mining and higher education form part of the economic base of both Xuzhou and Morgantown, and the area is the birthplace of the Han culture in China. Visitors from both cities traveled to their counterpart, and more cultural and economic exchanges are planned for the future. As these countries develop further ties in the global economy, the cities of Morgantown and Xuzhou, Quanshan District, can find new ways to add meaning to these global relations on a local level through cultural, economic, and educational exchanges. More than 200 Chinese students already attend West Virginia University, and Chinese language skills are offered in Monongalia County schools. It is hoped that Chinese residents in Morgantown will work with the MSSC to develop programs that highlight the importance of cross-cultural relationships for the benefit of the entire community.

In 2012, delegates from Xuzhou visited Morgantown and signed the Friendship City Porclamation with its Chief and top advisors.


Best wishes from the Mountain State...

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Here is a useful indicator if people want to use ATR to calculate what to set for SL's as recommended by Grimweasel. So if you wanted to see what ATR(5) x 2 was, just enter 5 for period and 2 for multiplier and it will return the value in pips to use.
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Another bad week for 10.4, is not it ? SL, BE, SL, BE..... no winning run. What are your results ?
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:geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: Another bad week for 10.4, is not it ? SL, BE, SL, BE..... no winning run.
What are your results ? :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :ugeek: :geek: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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