MTF display for 10.5 CSS "TF" 1.0.8

[atharmian]

Hey Coders,

A request, considering that when you reduce the no of bars displayed for the 10.5 CSS 1.0.8 indi in Bob's latest #10.4 info page 5.13.13v8 template from the default 100 to say 20 or 25, there is enough space for 4-5 more (horizontal) displays in the same window.

Can someone code an indi based on 10.5 CSS TF 1.0.8 (where TF= H4, D1, M15, M5 etc.) whereby I can see a same window display of CSS in 4-5 TFs with my choice of which TFs I want to display?

I am not sure how to horizontally shift the indi itself for multiple occurrences in the same window. A template of course can always combine multiple windows, but the problem is that you cannot stack up such displays with visual ease in multiple windows vertically. I am thinking of a display like FF hanover's Recent Strength indi:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=163158

With hanover as above (screenshot below), there is ability to scroll for more than 4-5 displays in the same window, but that is an advanced feature.

Regards,
Athar.

[Jemook]

Can't you just stack the indicators horizontally?

css_stacked.png

[atharmian]

Jemook,

You mean vertically as in your screenshot? Well, as I said, they look messy, and cannot be read easily like in the hanover-like same window display.

The point is that one need not go too many bars into the past to try to have a feel for current trends in a given TF. The available space can then be used productively for many TFs, especially if one wants to try out lower TF scalping based on CSS !

Athar.

Can't you just stack the indicators horizontally?

css_stacked.png

[simplex]

Hey Coders,

...

Can someone code an indi based on 10.5 CSS TF 1.0.8 (where TF= H4, D1, M15, M5 etc.) whereby I can see a same window display of CSS in 4-5 TFs with my choice of which TFs I want to display?

... I am thinking of a display like FF hanover's Recent Strength indi:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=163158

With hanover as above (screenshot below), there is ability to scroll for more than 4-5 displays in the same window, but that is an advanced feature.

Regards,
Athar.

Hi Athar,

Thank you for your kind request by PM! I stumbled upon hanover's work by myself recently and immediately thought: Wow - nice work! Just did not have the time to look at the coding details.

At the moment, I am completely bound by non-FX work and the development of some adaptive indicators of my own. So I can't help you for the short term, but I'll keep your request in mind.

Just one thought: a CSS MTF indicator will certainly be very CPU consuming and might slow down weaker machines (VPS) considerably.

Regards, simplex

[simplex]

Jemook,

You mean vertically as in your screenshot? Well, as I said, they look messy, and cannot be read easily like in the hanover-like same window display.

Athar.

Can't you just stack the indicators horizontally?

css_stacked.png

Athar,

I believe the reason why hanover's indicator looks less messy is the simple math behind the scenes: CSS displays absolute strength values based on slope for each currency, but hanover's Recent Strength shows relative strength values as compared to theier individual strength at some recent point in time. This feature makes the picture of the very recent past so clear - not the limitation to say 20 bars per TF.

Regards, simplex

[atharmian]

Hi Jurgan,

I appreciate both your comments; sure waiting is no problem. I'll send you another PM with some more info !

Re: messy, what I actually meant was that the display looks much better going horizontally from one TF to the next, as opposed to doing it vertically.

I understand, though, your remark about hanover doing it simpler, with relative strength, as opposed to slope of price change. However, upon some thought, it seems to me that CSS slope is a better gauge of price movements visually. For example, hanover's RS might show you a big gap in currency RS, but the price could still be moving in the opposite direction. On the other hand, RS could be less lagging than CSS slope owing to lesser calculations. Thus RS could be more useful in EAs/scripts and CSS slope could give you a better visual reading.

Regards,
Athar.

Jemook,

You mean vertically as in your screenshot? Well, as I said, they look messy, and cannot be read easily like in the hanover-like same window display.

Athar.

Can't you just stack the indicators horizontally?

css_stacked.png

Athar,

I believe the reason why hanover's indicator looks less messy is the simple math behind the scenes: CSS displays absolute strength values based on slope for each currency, but hanover's Recent Strength shows relative strength values as compared to theier individual strength at some recent point in time. This feature makes the picture of the very recent past so clear - not the limitation to say 20 bars per TF.

Regards, simplex

[simplex]

Hi Jurgan,

I appreciate both your comments; sure waiting is no problem. I'll send you another PM with some more info !

Re: messy, what I actually meant was that the display looks much better going horizontally from one TF to the next, as opposed to doing it vertically.

I understand, though, your remark about hanover doing it simpler, with relative strength, as opposed to slope of price change. However, upon some thought, it seems to me that CSS slope is a better gauge of price movements visually. For example, hanover's RS might show you a big gap in currency RS, but the price could still be moving in the opposite direction. On the other hand, RS could be less lagging than CSS slope owing to lesser calculations. Thus RS could be more useful in EAs/scripts and CSS slope could give you a better visual reading.

Regards,
Athar.

Hi Athar,

Actually I didn't mean hanover did it simpler - his indy just appears to look simpler than CSS. And if one indy looks simpler than another one it does not mean it's easier to trade or gives better results. Surely depends upon what's needed for the particular strategy.

Regards, Jürgen

[hanover]

I haven't seen CSS, but I've written maybe 7-8 different strength indys myself, using different types of calculation. I don't believe that any one of them is necessarily superior, or potentially more profitable, than the others. I agree with simplex: in the end it comes down to whether strength/weakness as a concept can provide an edge, and how it is ultilized within with a given strategy as a whole. Indicators are merely mathematically based tools, nothing more.

There is nothing 'advanced' about the multiple horizontal displays used in RS. All I did was plot horizontal lines to separate each timeframe's plot. I never really thought of them as horizontal chart sub-windows.

[atharmian]

David,

Thanks for this post and the emails we have exchanged.

1. A bulb finally went alight in my head when you mentioned vertical lines separation- all I really have to do is use horizontal shift in indy mq4s to put chart displays in non-overlapping spaces in the same window, then build a template out of it. So I have left a message for CSS 1.0.7 shift help:

http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3 ... 669#p72669

Funny, how I got blindsided with complexity when the simple solution was right under my nose in the first place- I already have such a shifted charts template with tma slope arrows dash.

2. Re: CSs vs RS vs other currency strengths, I agree that it is in the eyes of the beholder. Given that I already have a template of CSS based on tma slope arrows dashboard that gives me 4 TFs to look at once in the same screenshot, I thought I would just supplement this with full CSS charts in the same 4 TFs in the bottom window, thus building a complete template of arrows dashboard for all 28 pairs plus charts for the 8 currencies. This would help with any cross checks.

Regards,
Athar.

I haven't seen CSS, but I've written maybe 7-8 different strength indys myself, using different types of calculation. I don't believe that any one of them is necessarily superior, or potentially more profitable, than the others. I agree with simplex: in the end it comes down to whether strength/weakness as a concept can provide an edge, and how it is ultilized within with a given strategy as a whole. Indicators are merely mathematically based tools, nothing more.

There is nothing 'advanced' about the multiple horizontal displays used in RS. All I did was plot horizontal lines to separate each timeframe's plot. I never really thought of them as horizontal chart sub-windows.

[mobthehop]

Athar,

attached pls find another implementation of showing the state of an oscillator for various tfs in one sub-window made by mladen over at forex-tsd - maybe I will help you to do the coding yourself...

Cheers / Mop