Bob and Shelley Again

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Re: Bob and Shelley Again

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fchaman wrote:Thanks Shelly...BASA 1hr is keeping up very well.

I am planning to run another EA soon along with BASA...just to compare them...Assume due to the magic number set to 0 by default, I have no issue running another EA in parallel...correct?
The other ea has to have a different magic number, or both bots will become confused and chaos will ensue.

Best not to run two ea's on the same account regardless of different magic numbers. One of them only needs a tiny mn-related bug..................................................

Just don't do it, ok? You have been warned by a serial EA coder whose work benefits from industrial strength coding aids from some seriously clever people. I would not run two of my ea's on the same account, let alone one of mine and one of someone elses.

:D
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Re: Bob and Shelley Again

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Steve, that other EA is ENTROPY!
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fchaman wrote:Steve, that other EA is ENTROPY!
doh. erp. urm.

Yup, should have guessed. :oops:

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Read the effing manual, ok?

Afterprime is the official SHF broker. Read about them at https://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=175790#p175790.

I still suffer from OCCD. Good thing, really.

Anyone here feeling generous? My paypal account is always in the market for a tiny donation. pianodoodler@hotmail.com is the account.

To see The Weekly Roundup of stuff you guys might have missed Click here

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Re: Bob and Shelley Again

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Craig would release his baby entropy soon...I'd love to see how they perform against each other. I have to admit BASA is one-of-the-kind!
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fchaman wrote:I have to admit BASA is one-of-the-kind!
Yup. Simple forumula:
SameForum + (Bob + Shelley) = DivineCombo

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Read the effing manual, ok?

Afterprime is the official SHF broker. Read about them at https://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=175790#p175790.

I still suffer from OCCD. Good thing, really.

Anyone here feeling generous? My paypal account is always in the market for a tiny donation. pianodoodler@hotmail.com is the account.

To see The Weekly Roundup of stuff you guys might have missed Click here

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Re: Bob and Shelley Again

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Hi All,

I've just kicked off 4 BASA demo's. 2 x 1h and 2 x 4h , one each on Global Prime and Vantage FX over 25 pairs. Running iExposure and iHistory. I'll report stats as it's goes along.
The only change to OOTB setting is I set the risk to 1.5%
All on $100K accounts. I like to use $100K as $1K = 1% of equity.

Only question I have is, does anyone use any non-OOTB settings at all please?

Cheers,
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This is to commend highly the efforts of Steve, Shelley and all the contributors to this project. Its steady and relentless improvement has been quite impressive.

I have never before used a trading EA on a live account. In fact, my view has always been that if I am going to lose money, I will like to have the privilege of doing it myself rather than handing it to an EA. And the reasons are not far-fetched, as I’m sure many would agree with me. Most EAs seem to hold up for a while and then suddenly, they sustain some really big loss, or a series of them; and then follows their immediate abandonment by all concerned. I am yet to see an EA that has been able to withstand the test of time and is still currently held dear by those who wrote or use it. If anyone knows of any such, he should let us all know.

I believe the reason why this is so is that EA users expect their EAs to perform day-in day-out, irrespective of market conditions. It has done well in the last few months, why not this one and the next? Little consideration is given to the fact that no single trading system, manual or automated, can prosper in all market conditions. And when along comes a different market situation that an EA cannot handle very well, then begins the handing back of previous profits if not ending in outright net loss.

It is on this basis that I would like to suggest that consideration be given to the market conditions that BASA is best suited to and provision made for it to QUIT TRADING when such market conditions cease to exist. At least, a user option should be available which when switched on will stop BASA trading when its ideal market conditions are not prevailing, not minding what RSI, Sto and the MAs are indicating. In such adverse market conditions, greater initiative than an EA is able to summon is required to trade successfully, if at all.

Bob’s 10.xx logic on which BASA is based is a trending one. And it has been obvious in the last 2 weeks or so of a trending forex market that the EA has been performing increasingly well. So how will it be determined when a trending market begins to turn around? This is where Baluda’s GlobalMarketTrend (GMT) indi comes in. It is these considerations that gave rise to this post:

http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3 ... 088#p69088

and close monitoring along with regular use since July, have more than verified how vital it is.

In summary, if such an option is written into BASA, it will:

1. Turn the EA loose on the market whenever GMT tracing is above 1.2 AND inclined upwards
2. Turn the EA off anytime the tracing inclines downwards.

I am not a coder and so don’t know how amenable GMT will be for BASA manipulation. Steve and the other versatile coders here will have to determine that if, at all, they consider this worthy of appraisal. I am also not saying that BASA cannot be used in a non-trending market by anyone who chooses to. I am definitely saying though that a user who so wishes should have the option to spare BASA any blushes and afford his trading account good protection when the markets do not quite suit the EA.

BTW, the 1.2 figure, whilst being the possible default setting, may also be left configurable by the user.
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I am asking those of you who have not already seen this post http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3 ... =10&t=3302 to read it please.

:D
Read the effing manual, ok?

Afterprime is the official SHF broker. Read about them at https://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=175790#p175790.

I still suffer from OCCD. Good thing, really.

Anyone here feeling generous? My paypal account is always in the market for a tiny donation. pianodoodler@hotmail.com is the account.

To see The Weekly Roundup of stuff you guys might have missed Click here

My special thanks to Thomas (tomele) for all the incredible work he does here.
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Re: Bob and Shelley Again

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A very good start for BASA 4H, to day live GLOBAL PRIME
Thanks Steve, Bob and Shelley
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Pedigree wrote:This is to commend highly the efforts of Steve, Shelley and all the contributors to this project. Its steady and relentless improvement has been quite impressive.

I have never before used a trading EA on a live account. In fact, my view has always been that if I am going to lose money, I will like to have the privilege of doing it myself rather than handing it to an EA. And the reasons are not far-fetched, as I’m sure many would agree with me. Most EAs seem to hold up for a while and then suddenly, they sustain some really big loss, or a series of them; and then follows their immediate abandonment by all concerned. I am yet to see an EA that has been able to withstand the test of time and is still currently held dear by those who wrote or use it. If anyone knows of any such, he should let us all know.

I believe the reason why this is so is that EA users expect their EAs to perform day-in day-out, irrespective of market conditions. It has done well in the last few months, why not this one and the next? Little consideration is given to the fact that no single trading system, manual or automated, can prosper in all market conditions. And when along comes a different market situation that an EA cannot handle very well, then begins the handing back of previous profits if not ending in outright net loss.

It is on this basis that I would like to suggest that consideration be given to the market conditions that BASA is best suited to and provision made for it to QUIT TRADING when such market conditions cease to exist. At least, a user option should be available which when switched on will stop BASA trading when its ideal market conditions are not prevailing, not minding what RSI, Sto and the MAs are indicating. In such adverse market conditions, greater initiative than an EA is able to summon is required to trade successfully, if at all.

Bob’s 10.xx logic on which BASA is based is a trending one. And it has been obvious in the last 2 weeks or so of a trending forex market that the EA has been performing increasingly well. So how will it be determined when a trending market begins to turn around? This is where Baluda’s GlobalMarketTrend (GMT) indi comes in. It is these considerations that gave rise to this post:

http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3 ... 088#p69088

and close monitoring along with regular use since July, have more than verified how vital it is.

In summary, if such an option is written into BASA, it will:

1. Turn the EA loose on the market whenever GMT tracing is above 1.2 AND inclined upwards
2. Turn the EA off anytime the tracing inclines downwards.

I am not a coder and so don’t know how amenable GMT will be for BASA manipulation. Steve and the other versatile coders here will have to determine that if, at all, they consider this worthy of appraisal. I am also not saying that BASA cannot be used in a non-trending market by anyone who chooses to. I am definitely saying though that a user who so wishes should have the option to spare BASA any blushes and afford his trading account good protection when the markets do not quite suit the EA.

BTW, the 1.2 figure, whilst being the possible default setting, may also be left configurable by the user.
No offence intended Pedigree, but aren't you somewhat trying to reinvent the wheel here? BASA was designed to determine whether a particular pair is in a trending state and then only allow trades (after a pullback or rally) if those conditions exist for that pair. If there are no candidate pairs because of choppy/ranging conditions, well then it just doesn't trade. Does it really need another filter?

Please correct me if I'm wrong but, from memory, Paul's Global Market Trend was originally developed for a basket trading strategy - I can't remember which one. But BASA manages pairs individually; it's not uncommon, for example, to see AUD and NZD pairs trending strongly when all others are flat. In which case GMT might exclude successful trades on those pairs. Over-filtering can easily asphyxiate a trading system.
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