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boldtrader » Wed May 07, 2014 11:46 am wrote:
dclayw » Tue May 06, 2014 9:36 pm wrote: Good trade, looks like it has reached your target now. At the time you went long here on GN the weekly Sto (red line) was down, so you were trading against the weekly Sto at that point? I know you have several criteria for entry, some of which is proprietary (obi waan etc) but I'm not quite understanding your entry at 1.9370. Why did you enter right at that point? I see the old resistance back on 8,9,14 April, but it was against the weekly Sto.

Thank you for your question. Please consider the following.. (and I hope this will answer your question, if not, let me know).

I will begin this with .. I do not expect anyone to believe or accept or understand what I am about to write.. but.. many years of trading and experience .. well.. I think you will get the picture.. My trading record, my thousands of alerts, my many many hundreds of postings (both here and to my clients) speak for it's own record.

HERE IS WHAT I WAS TAUGHT AND HOW I LOOK AT THE MARKETS: Markets move based on stops.. buy stops, sell stops, etc..( I could write a whole book on this subject alone) After a majority of stops are cleared, THEN the true market volume traders move in. Look at where my targets were located.. they were small, obscure price points.. ie: resistance levels which were broken but not retested (uhmm. this is private info I am sharing with you).

Within a larger time period, Daily, there was a key Trendline.. As I scaled down into time.. H4, H1.. there were 2 price points where price had not traded back to these two specific levels (based on criteria). This left these two price points open as targets. HOWEVER.. there is a key to this setup.. and I have posted this before in previous postings.. These targets are not activated until a specific event occurs.

What you do not see is the corresponding levels of my entries.. If you examine where the price points turned (/near my entries).. they will correspond to previous MST levels that were left open. So somewhere back in history (MILLION DOLLAR TIP), were MST levels open.. were price needed to trade UP to .. and then expected to reverse.. Thus my confidence and comments about trading from MST to MST.

Notice the series of trades I just posted.. In advance.. I stated exactly where the markets would move to.. and they did so... 100% accurate. I have yet to see these MST levels fail. Now call me crazy, strange.. a bit eccentric.. but it is what I was taught and learned while working behind the desk.. Realistically, the only tool that is needed is a TL and the knowledge of these stop levels. The great tools Bob and the team of amazing programmers have created are fantastic to give visual alerts to trend and counter trend. The use of CSS, is utilized as an advance trade condition alert..and is a fantastic part of my arsenal of trading tools. CSS is an amazing utility to monitor for potential conditions to occur. The prop tool I created alerts me to a change of conditions in advance of the move.. I use essentially these tools to make the decision.. but, at least for me.. my style.. it begins with identifying the MST levels. They are my targets. They can occur on all time periods.. but for myself, I primarily look for H1 and H4 setups for targets.

I use Sto to the inverse (when it has established itself into the zone) .. If there is an MST up high.. and Sto7 is down low ( I refer to this as the lower zone - LZ), then it is a condition for me to begin to look for a reversal of price. Since I cannot sell when Sto7 is in the LZ, I can only look for a buy.. and if there is an MST where price is hitting in the LZ.. and there is an MST up high.. then I look for a buy long position. It is inverse trade logic.

Yes, I was trading against weekly.. remember.. markets vibrate up and down.. even within a weekly price can move several hundred pips.

Markets most often reverse off of these key levels. I was short GN.. and closed.. and simultaneously traded long at the same price I closed.. The MST level was also at a Level 1 Gann octave.. this gave me confidence that price would bounce AT that level per GANN Octave rules.. I was also prepared for a move down to the next octave level lower where I would have added to my position. I prefer to trade small and build/accumulate a position toward an MST target.

Understand this.. I have 100% confidence in these MST levels being hit.. Some take longer than others.. but they get hit.. period.. end of statement.. Again.. call me weird, strange.. whacky.. even crazy.. but this works. It is what I was taught and have learned after watching 1000's of hours of chart time. How else can I make a trade call and tell you where the market will go.. IN ADVANCE? and alert publicly to that move at least 1 bar (period) in advance!.

It wasn't always like this.. I would identify a target.. only for the market to move against me.. by some crazy amount of pips.... stopping me out .. and then really make me question my humanity and ability to trade and deal with the markets as if I am lower than a worm crawling across a 200 degree pavement.. it would really piss me off.. knowing, as smart as I (think I) am, with years training, knowledge, working with clients, managing accounts, advising large funds, working on a live trade desk with a top 5 futures commodity firm.. and I get worked over by the markets..

and THEN.. the market moves into the direction I originally planned.. and to make matters worse.. my target gets hit without me. Really ? Are you kidding me? I just went without a week of sleep to monitor the position against adverse moves.. and you stop me out.. and then you go to my original target? GIVE ME A BREAK.. I QUIT.. Ever Feel this way? I think just about everyone here who reads this post will relate to my thoughts and feelings..

I began to notice something.. how the markets moved.. and more specifically where they moved to .. then I examined why.. The WHY is what needed to be answered.. after several months.. It knocked me upside the head.. and bit me like a rattle snake in that 200 degree desert.. The markets were reversing off of the stop levels on break points.. (shhhh.. dont tell anyone.. its a secret)..

You comment.. "... but I'm not quite understanding your entry at 1.9370. Why did you enter right at that point? I see the old resistance back on 8,9,14 April, but it was against the weekly Sto."

Stochastics only form based on what price has done.. it is not a leading indicator.. it is a great indicator.. don't get me wrong.. it reacts very fast.. and is great for trading.. I use it as a great confirmation and work the signals very nicely and make a lot of pips with it.. but .. It can not tell you what the market is about to do.. it can not read the future.. it can not alert you to future moves.. I entered specifically at the MST level target.. with the knowledge, training and expertise and confidence that 1) the market would reverse at or near that level and 2) there was a MST level up higher which needed to be hit.. that was formed on the drop of price in order to clear out the two MST targets which were left open. So understand.. that 1) the price levels were identified IN ADVANCE.. and 2) As price is moving.. and moves as expected, the stochastics react to how price is moving and confirm the expected price action.

I subscribe to the wave in a wave principle (GANN).. while the weekly wave is down.. there are smaller, faster waves occurring.. much like radio waves vibrating at faster and various frequencies all within the same larger wave. The system is not perfect.. but it does work.. This does require strong trade management principles and the adherence of the trade management rules you establish. You MUST trust the system.. and the only way to do that is to learn it by Following it, Experience it, Then You will Believe it.. then the system will prove itself to you. Then you will trust and change.

There is an unquestionable, undeniable, irrefutable evidence of price action reversing at MST levels on ALL time periods and that creates an incredible opportunity. It only requires the training and knowledge necessary to identify these levels and all the various nuances involved.

As I stated in the beginning, I hope you are able to understand why I traded at the specific levels and how I expected price to react at these certain levels, in advance, and make some very good trades. I like planning my trades ahead and using MST levels allows me that opportunity.

By the way, Billiards and Chess are two of my favorite past times, as well as Scuba Diving (I am a Certified Master Diver, Rescue Diver, with Mixed Gas Certification and Wreck Diver). I add this because of the calculating nature of these activities require. Kinda lets you know a bit more about me.. and how I think.. crazy, I know..

But.. hope this helps..You know how to reach me if any questions..and as always.. if I can be of assistance, to anyone.. please feel free to reach out to me.

Cheers..
I think this is a really great post. The only problem is I am on Benedryl right now and it went way over my head. Hopefully when I am off my medication I will come back to this. Definitely not for the drugged induced. :shock:
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Maybe we should have a chess tournament. Used to play a lot when I was young so I am sure not so good now. Played a master once in a while, could never beat him at the end game though. He knew if he traded pieces with me and cleared the board he had me. Frustrating.
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I talk about my philosophy of trading here.
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nanningbob » Wed May 07, 2014 12:58 am wrote:Maybe we should have a chess tournament. Used to play a lot when I was young so I am sure not so good now. Played a master once in a while, could never beat him at the end game though. He knew if he traded pieces with me and cleared the board he had me. Frustrating.
Im in!

I too have played FIDE grandmasters. They have so much knowledge of the game that by move six or seven the game is over. He showed me where I went wrong each time. I got tired of feeling like I was fighting Darth Vader with a hickory stick. They all do the same thing, those masters. They just trade down. If they went a pawn up, I knew the game was over. :arrrg:
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boldtrader » Wed May 07, 2014 1:46 pm wrote:
dclayw » Tue May 06, 2014 9:36 pm wrote: Good trade, looks like it has reached your target now. At the time you went long here on GN the weekly Sto (red line) was down, so you were trading against the weekly Sto at that point? I know you have several criteria for entry, some of which is proprietary (obi waan etc) but I'm not quite understanding your entry at 1.9370. Why did you enter right at that point? I see the old resistance back on 8,9,14 April, but it was against the weekly Sto.

Thank you for your question. Please consider the following.. (and I hope this will answer your question, if not, let me know).

I will begin this with .. I do not expect anyone to believe or accept or understand what I am about to write.. but.. many years of trading and experience .. well.. I think you will get the picture.. My trading record, my thousands of alerts, my many many hundreds of postings (both here and to my clients) speak for it's own record.

HERE IS WHAT I WAS TAUGHT AND HOW I LOOK AT THE MARKETS: Markets move based on stops.. buy stops, sell stops, etc..( I could write a whole book on this subject alone) After a majority of stops are cleared, THEN the true market volume traders move in. Look at where my targets were located.. they were small, obscure price points.. ie: resistance levels which were broken but not retested (uhmm. this is private info I am sharing with you).

Within a larger time period, Daily, there was a key Trendline.. As I scaled down into time.. H4, H1.. there were 2 price points where price had not traded back to these two specific levels (based on criteria). This left these two price points open as targets. HOWEVER.. there is a key to this setup.. and I have posted this before in previous postings.. These targets are not activated until a specific event occurs.

What you do not see is the corresponding levels of my entries.. If you examine where the price points turned (/near my entries).. they will correspond to previous MST levels that were left open. So somewhere back in history (MILLION DOLLAR TIP), were MST levels open.. were price needed to trade UP to .. and then expected to reverse.. Thus my confidence and comments about trading from MST to MST.

Notice the series of trades I just posted.. In advance.. I stated exactly where the markets would move to.. and they did so... 100% accurate. I have yet to see these MST levels fail. Now call me crazy, strange.. a bit eccentric.. but it is what I was taught and learned while working behind the desk.. Realistically, the only tool that is needed is a TL and the knowledge of these stop levels. The great tools Bob and the team of amazing programmers have created are fantastic to give visual alerts to trend and counter trend. The use of CSS, is utilized as an advance trade condition alert..and is a fantastic part of my arsenal of trading tools. CSS is an amazing utility to monitor for potential conditions to occur. The prop tool I created alerts me to a change of conditions in advance of the move.. I use essentially these tools to make the decision.. but, at least for me.. my style.. it begins with identifying the MST levels. They are my targets. They can occur on all time periods.. but for myself, I primarily look for H1 and H4 setups for targets.

I use Sto to the inverse (when it has established itself into the zone) .. If there is an MST up high.. and Sto7 is down low ( I refer to this as the lower zone - LZ), then it is a condition for me to begin to look for a reversal of price. Since I cannot sell when Sto7 is in the LZ, I can only look for a buy.. and if there is an MST where price is hitting in the LZ.. and there is an MST up high.. then I look for a buy long position. It is inverse trade logic.

Yes, I was trading against weekly.. remember.. markets vibrate up and down.. even within a weekly price can move several hundred pips.

Markets most often reverse off of these key levels. I was short GN.. and closed.. and simultaneously traded long at the same price I closed.. The MST level was also at a Level 1 Gann octave.. this gave me confidence that price would bounce AT that level per GANN Octave rules.. I was also prepared for a move down to the next octave level lower where I would have added to my position. I prefer to trade small and build/accumulate a position toward an MST target.

Understand this.. I have 100% confidence in these MST levels being hit.. Some take longer than others.. but they get hit.. period.. end of statement.. Again.. call me weird, strange.. whacky.. even crazy.. but this works. It is what I was taught and have learned after watching 1000's of hours of chart time. How else can I make a trade call and tell you where the market will go.. IN ADVANCE? and alert publicly to that move at least 1 bar (period) in advance!.

It wasn't always like this.. I would identify a target.. only for the market to move against me.. by some crazy amount of pips.... stopping me out .. and then really make me question my humanity and ability to trade and deal with the markets as if I am lower than a worm crawling across a 200 degree pavement.. it would really piss me off.. knowing, as smart as I (think I) am, with years training, knowledge, working with clients, managing accounts, advising large funds, working on a live trade desk with a top 5 futures commodity firm.. and I get worked over by the markets..

and THEN.. the market moves into the direction I originally planned.. and to make matters worse.. my target gets hit without me. Really ? Are you kidding me? I just went without a week of sleep to monitor the position against adverse moves.. and you stop me out.. and then you go to my original target? GIVE ME A BREAK.. I QUIT.. Ever Feel this way? I think just about everyone here who reads this post will relate to my thoughts and feelings..

I began to notice something.. how the markets moved.. and more specifically where they moved to .. then I examined why.. The WHY is what needed to be answered.. after several months.. It knocked me upside the head.. and bit me like a rattle snake in that 200 degree desert.. The markets were reversing off of the stop levels on break points.. (shhhh.. dont tell anyone.. its a secret)..

You comment.. "... but I'm not quite understanding your entry at 1.9370. Why did you enter right at that point? I see the old resistance back on 8,9,14 April, but it was against the weekly Sto."

Stochastics only form based on what price has done.. it is not a leading indicator.. it is a great indicator.. don't get me wrong.. it reacts very fast.. and is great for trading.. I use it as a great confirmation and work the signals very nicely and make a lot of pips with it.. but .. It can not tell you what the market is about to do.. it can not read the future.. it can not alert you to future moves.. I entered specifically at the MST level target.. with the knowledge, training and expertise and confidence that 1) the market would reverse at or near that level and 2) there was a MST level up higher which needed to be hit.. that was formed on the drop of price in order to clear out the two MST targets which were left open. So understand.. that 1) the price levels were identified IN ADVANCE.. and 2) As price is moving.. and moves as expected, the stochastics react to how price is moving and confirm the expected price action.

I subscribe to the wave in a wave principle (GANN).. while the weekly wave is down.. there are smaller, faster waves occurring.. much like radio waves vibrating at faster and various frequencies all within the same larger wave. The system is not perfect.. but it does work.. This does require strong trade management principles and the adherence of the trade management rules you establish. You MUST trust the system.. and the only way to do that is to learn it by Following it, Experience it, Then You will Believe it.. then the system will prove itself to you. Then you will trust and change.

There is an unquestionable, undeniable, irrefutable evidence of price action reversing at MST levels on ALL time periods and that creates an incredible opportunity. It only requires the training and knowledge necessary to identify these levels and all the various nuances involved.

As I stated in the beginning, I hope you are able to understand why I traded at the specific levels and how I expected price to react at these certain levels, in advance, and make some very good trades. I like planning my trades ahead and using MST levels allows me that opportunity.

By the way, Billiards and Chess are two of my favorite past times, as well as Scuba Diving (I am a Certified Master Diver, Rescue Diver, with Mixed Gas Certification and Wreck Diver). I add this because of the calculating nature of these activities require. Kinda lets you know a bit more about me.. and how I think.. crazy, I know..

But.. hope this helps..You know how to reach me if any questions..and as always.. if I can be of assistance, to anyone.. please feel free to reach out to me.

Cheers..
Thanks for that comprehensive reply. OK, I see the target for the short trade and the subsequent long entry at 1.9370 based on the MST left open on 14/4 (high of the day 1.93685), hopefully I got that one right?? I think your initial short entry at 1.97078 is based on an MST way back on 9/3, is that right?, if so that one does seem very obscure. If I have those two correct then I might be getting somewhere. No idea what your short entry at 1.95973 is based on, I assume it's not based on an MST. Not sure how you arrived at the 1.9515 target for the long trade just completed. That level doesn't seem to be an MST either. I can see an MST at 1.9459 but that was a much closer target, why not close the trade at that MST?

Anyway, hopefully I'm at least on track in identifying these MST levels. Please let me know otherwise. Do you identify these MSTs just by eyeballing the chart, they are bit hard to spot, but I guess that comes with practise.

You also mentioned there was a key to this setup and activation of these targets requires a specific event and you posted info about this before. I read all your posts in the 10.6 Edsel thread at the time you wrote them, I don't remember reading about that. Went back and had a look at that thread again but couldn't find that info.

Many thanks for posting. Your style of trading intrigues me. Going to have a look at Gann octaves as well. I did actually read a lot of Gann's exotic stuff years ago, square of 9 etc. but never really put any of it into practise.
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Great stuff bold, I have just finished reading Anna coullings book on price action, in easy to understand language, and exactly how the market makers manipulate the market, she makes great importance re those levels bold talks about, incidental if anyone is in London tonight she is holding a seminar, then of to the pub afterwards, might try and make it, she has a Web site, I'm out at the moment so not sure of the address anyway you can Google, cheers
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hey art


the anna coulling seminar - is that to do with fxstreet meetup? she was due for a seminar in central a few weeks back but her mother got ill so she cancelled

any more info would be great


art » Wed May 07, 2014 10:04 am wrote:Great stuff bold, I have just finished reading Anna coullings book on price action, in easy to understand language, and exactly how the market makers manipulate the market, she makes great importance re those levels bold talks about, incidental if anyone is in London tonight she is holding a seminar, then of to the pub afterwards, might try and make it, she has a Web site, I'm out at the moment so not sure of the address anyway you can Google, cheers
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thats the one trader, address is 96-100 Clifton street, london EC2A 4TP 6-30 till 7.45, near old street, i'm going to try and make it , i will be in town today, let me know if youre going post on here will log on later, be good to meet you dont know how we recognise each other, anyway let me know, gotta go
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boldtrader » Wed May 07, 2014 3:46 am wrote:By the way, Billiards and Chess are two of my favorite past times, as well as Scuba Diving (I am a Certified Master Diver, Rescue Diver, with Mixed Gas Certification and Wreck Diver). I add this because of the calculating nature of these activities require. Kinda lets you know a bit more about me.. and how I think.. crazy, I know..

But.. hope this helps..You know how to reach me if any questions..and as always.. if I can be of assistance, to anyone.. please feel free to reach out to me.

Cheers..
If that helps, I'm a level2 Cave Diver and level2 Mixed Gas diver as well.
Always liked the planning of the dives, but hated hauling the gear up and down the mountains....

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well im a bit confused as thats been advertised as neil greaves (seasoned prop trader) doing a talk 'dont flop, prop to the top' on their meetup page - he is doing a talk about mistakes new traders make. i am semi tempted, but annoyingly 2 other trading meetups on meetp.com have their meetups tonight as well, and im tempted to check out another one as i think i know what will be said in the fxstreet one, eg plan your trade, money management, psychology. actually on second thoughts i think i will attend


art » Wed May 07, 2014 11:06 am wrote:thats the one trader, address is 96-100 Clifton street, london EC2A 4TP 6-30 till 7.45, near old street, i'm going to try and make it , i will be in town today, let me know if youre going post on here will log on later, be good to meet you dont know how we recognise each other, anyway let me know, gotta go
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Hi trader, I. Will be there carrying a harrods bag been out with the wife today, I'm wearing a check jacket hopefully meet up
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